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[quote="publius"]And another thing.................. I heard "Big Joe" Doria say that if your town has no growth, than you don't have to worry about the COAH rules. Thats nice. So, I guess, no more warehouses? If a town wishes to lighten it's tax burden.......IT CAN'T?????????This COAH crap seems to me to be just a shrewd way to subsidize warehouse developers at the residential taxpayers expense. We build the housing so that the worker bees can live closer to the hive so that they don't have to be paid as much to commute from far away. I know that a lot of these distribution centers have to bus people in from NY city area, because none of those people could afford to live anywhere near Cranbury. It's collusion by the builders, the companies who lease the bldgs. and the state government. The state gov. is in the back pockets of all of the developers anyway. And you know who owns the developers????????(wink,wink, nudge, nudge)[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>publius</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 5 2008, 2:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">And another thing.................. <br /> <br />I heard "Big Joe" Doria say that if your town has no growth, than you don't have to worry about the COAH rules. Thats nice. So, I guess, no more warehouses? If a town wishes to lighten it's tax burden.......IT CAN'T?????????This COAH crap seems to me to be just a shrewd way to subsidize warehouse developers at the residential taxpayers expense. We build the housing so that the worker bees can live closer to the hive so that they don't have to be paid as much to commute from far away. I know that a lot of these distribution centers have to bus people in from NY city area, because none of those people could afford to live anywhere near Cranbury. It's collusion by the builders, the companies who lease the bldgs. and the state government. The state gov. is in the back pockets of all of the developers anyway. <br /> <br /> And you know who owns the developers????????(wink,wink, nudge, nudge)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>publius</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2008, 9:23 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"Affordable" housing should be voluntary. Or, at least, negotiable. Who decides these idiotic standards anyway? The same people who planned the War on Terror? Can they get ANYTHING right? <br />Is it fair to have 2 people having to commute a couple of hours each day to "afford" their $700,000. house in Cranbury.? (Which is worth $600,000. by now.) I'm all for having economically mixed communities. But, to do it by dictitorial fiat, does remind one of Soviet-style strongarm tactics. <br />VIVA La Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2008, 2:49 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">... <br />And they like to quote that people should have the "right" to afford to live where they work, ...</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I spend about 2 hours each day to commute to work. Cranbury and nearby towns don't have the kind of job for me, and I like to live in Cranbury. <br /> <br />The notion that people have to live near their job location is outdated and makes no sense. Any job locations that offer good jobs (e.g. Silicon Valley in CA, NYC, Seattle, etc.) will have sky-high housing cost because of the high demand for housing. Why politicians in those locations don't push for COAH-kind of scheme if COAH is such a good idea? <br /> <br />In my opinion, COAH-kind of scheme is unfair, and I believe someone eventually will challenge this one to the supreme court.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 1 2008, 8:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Its not just this issue it it the whole system. As an income tax payer, I am paying for 20 people in our country, plus as a property tax payer I pay well more than average within Cranbury for the same services, then Cranbury pays 100 percent for itself then still has to send money to the State to subsidize other townships and school systems. Then this housing thing. <br /> <br />And they like to quote that people should have the "right" to afford to live where they work, yet I have to commute almost 2 hours a day door to door, each way, to work in New York City to get enough money to afford to live here and subsidize those who apparently have the right for me to commute four hours a day to assure they are 5 minutes from their homes.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 1 2008, 6:21 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Can someone tell me when it became a right for people to have houses or housing in towns they cannot afford. I am sorry, the COAH issue has made me really ticked. Yes, we should voluntarily have affordable housing. No, it should not be granted as a right. <br /> <br />I worked very hard and paid off massive student loans for my wife and myself. We worked hard to buy a home in Cranbury. That is the model. I have friends at work that grew up in inner cities (Camden being one which is worse than Trenton). They have to save to buy a home, no one is saying since they had it tough growing up they can get affordable housing. Why? Because they make too much now. So here are individuals that worked hard to escape and did so. Yet, the same people they went to school with and did not study hard or focus on the schooling can get COAH housing and a better school for their kids than these individuals who worked hard to escape. Sorry, but I don't see how it is proper to penalize those who worked hard and then reward those others.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 1 2008, 3:09 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">without a doubt, it is creeping socialism!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2008, 11:15 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">My feeling is that this COAH thing is going to far. People tend to assist others in need of help if the they are NOT FORCED to make great sacrifices (e.g., destroying own town) do so. For some strange reason, I feel that this thing has a communist-kind of flavor.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2008, 9:15 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">tell these trenton pastors these are "rich towns" ... <br /> <br />"I don't think a lot of towns realize what's hit them yet," said David Sandahl, a committeeman in Hopewell Township. He is helping spearhead one of the legal challenges, and more than 100 towns have signed on. <br /> <br />"I don't believe him," said Clinton Township Mayor Nick Corcodilos. "I've met more mayors over the last few months who are furious, offended and insulted over this. And they should be: What the state legislators are doing is taking something that's their problem and turning it into a municipal problem."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2008, 9:10 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: N.J. towns mobilizing against new housing rule, citing tax hikes</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"Municipal governments throughout New Jersey are preparing to fight a series of new affordable-housing rules that, they say, will force steep hikes in property taxes, already the highest in the nation." <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/nj_towns_mobilizing_against_ne.html" target="_blank">http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/nj_towns_mobilizing_against_ne.html</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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