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[quote="Guest"]If you read you see these issues raised all the time in the Press and Trenton Times. Even on this site. Today the Governor's girlfriend Ms. Katz was basically tossed out on her rear for improper conduct related to gifts for officials.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:46 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">If you read you see these issues raised all the time in the Press and Trenton Times. Even on this site. Today the Governor's girlfriend Ms. Katz was basically tossed out on her rear for improper conduct related to gifts for officials.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>badNJ</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:27 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It's a very large leap to assume that because elected officals passed the bill that the majority of voters agree. Do you agree on reduced property taxes, increased borrowing, union gifts and increased sales tax? After all our representatives passed bills granting those items. <br /> <br />As the other poster stated, NJ voters either vote party line or don't pay attention to the issues. The majority of residents don't want COAH. However, the unions and Democrats inner city base do. So the officials vote with the campaign coffers in mind, knowing that people won't vote them out. Just see the last election.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If so, the press and the opposing party should raise these issues to let the voters know.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 8:18 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It's a very large leap to assume that because elected officals passed the bill that the majority of voters agree. Do you agree on reduced property taxes, increased borrowing, union gifts and increased sales tax? After all our representatives passed bills granting those items. <br /> <br />As the other poster stated, NJ voters either vote party line or don't pay attention to the issues. The majority of residents don't want COAH. However, the unions and Democrats inner city base do. So the officials vote with the campaign coffers in mind, knowing that people won't vote them out. Just see the last election.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>HistoricallyFiscal</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 6:50 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Voters in NJ are uneducated about it and they didnt vote for FOR IT. <br /> <br />Its too complex for some to comprehend, they'd rather watch hours of American Idol then spend 1hour educating themselves about the financial mess that Gov Corzine and his crew is doing to you. <br /> <br />Do you know what the PRO's and CON's of it is?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 4:28 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">”It could place a tremendous burden on both towns and local taxpayers,” she said. “I think there is a widespread feeling across the state that it’s not logical.” </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Why would voters and tax payers accept the new COAH rules if there is a widespread feeling that this COAH thing is not logical? <br /> <br />Given that the politicians voted for the A500 and S1783, I would expect the new COAH ideas are accepted by majority of the voters, no?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Windsor Heights Herald</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue, Jul 8 2008, 3:22 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: COAH housing units elsewhere still EW’s hope</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">EAST WINDSOR — The Township Council agreed this week to the concept of paying Long Branch $1.16 million through a regional contribution agreement — a move that would further satisfy East Windsor’s affordable housing obligation — despite the state Legislature’s approval of legislation the day before banning that very practice. <br /> <br /> Mayor Janice Mironov said the township first entered into an RCA with Long Branch in 2006, involving a separate $2.35 million deal. But she acknowledged that that deal was never approved by the state, and that no money has ever been paid to Long Branch. <br /> <br /> ”Nothing has been approved anywhere,” she said, while pointing to “constant” COAH regulation modifications. <br /> <br /> ”That is the whole problem,” she said. “The rules and process have been overturned and suspended for most of this time.” <br /> <br /> Mayor Mironov said Tuesday’s council resolution is “supplemental and amendatory” to the 2006 action and she hopes that the state will honor the agreement that was executed “under the rules in place at the time.” <br />* <br /> State Department of Community Affairs spokesman Chris Donnelly said Wednesday that amendments to existing RCAs are allowed, but are subject to COAH approval. <br /> <br /> The mayor addressed the two identical legislative bills that would kill RCAs — A500, sponsored by Assembly Speaker Joseph Roberts, D-Camden, and S1783, sponsored by state Sen. Raymond Lesniak, D-Union — at Tuesday’s council meeting. The Assembly bill was approved June 16, while the Senate bill was OK’d Monday. Both await Gov. Corzine’s signature. <br /> <br /> ”I had hoped that maybe they would have held it, and corrected it, before they passed it,” Mayor Mironov said. <br /> <br /> The mayor did, however, express hope Wednesday. <br /> <br /> ”The legislators have indicated that they will take this bill up again after the summer to make changes,” she said. “We are hopeful that one of the referenced changes will be to grandfather existing RCA agreements.” <br /> <br /> Assembly Democratic spokesman Derek Roseman confirmed that possibility Wednesday. <br /> <br /> ”Assemblyman Roberts is mindful of those RCA agreements that are already in the pipelines from prior to the drafting of this bill,” Mr. Roseman said. “The goal is to see how we can possibly work around them. They are open to that, but RCAs are effectively dead from this point forward by the passing of this legislation.” <br /> <br /> RCAs allow towns to buy their way out of providing local affordable housing by paying other communities to build a portion of their state-mandated obligation. No more than 50 percent of a town’s obligation can be satisfied through RCAs. <br /> <br /> RCAs are one of several options, which also include refurbishing older housing units, offered by the Council on Affordable Housing, which was created as a result of The Fair Housing Act of 1985 to provide housing for low- and moderate-income residents of the state. Towns are not required to participate, but COAH protects those who do from potential lawsuits from developers. <br /> <br /> To replace RCAs, the legislation would create a statewide housing fund — paid for through a 2.5 percent fee assessed developers on the value of new commercial development. The state estimates raising $20 million “initially” from the fund to be used for affordable housing. <br /> <br /> Mayor Mironov said that’s not enough, and eventually taxpayers would be hurt. <br /> <br /> ”It could place a tremendous burden on both towns and local taxpayers,” she said. “I think there is a widespread feeling across the state that it’s not logical.” <br /> <br /> Mayor Mironov said RCAs are in East Windsor’s best interest because the town is trying to pace its growth. <br /> <br /> ”We are trying to achieve a balance in East Windsor and that has meant reducing residential expansion and focusing on commercial development,” she said. <br /> <br /> The township’s 2006 RCA with Long Branch would satisfy 67 units of COAH’s 396-unit designation for East Windsor. The $1.16 million RCA would account for an additional 33 units under the cost-per-unit in place in 2006. <br /> However, new COAH regulations that went into effect June 2 place the cost-per-unit for a sending municipality in East Windsor’s region at $70,000, double the cost of the 2006 agreement. According to COAH regulations, agreements that were adopted by both the sending and receiving municipalities between Dec. 20, 2004, and Dec. 17, 2007, can be honored at the designated cost, not less than $35,000. <br /> <br /> The agreements would be paid for through the township’s Housing Trust Fund, which is made up of fees charged to residential and nonresidential developers. <br /> <br /> Mayor Mironov added Wednesday that the township is not adverse to the goal of providing affordable housing, but eliminating RCAs is a step in the wrong direction. <br /> <br /> ”It takes the officials of two towns to reach an agreement which both believe benefits their communities, so why are state officials meddling and trying to say they know best?” Mayor Mironov asked. “(RCAs) allow a sending town, in this case East Windsor Township, to get credits without overdeveloping land or putting housing where we do not believe is beneficial. And it allows the receiving town, in this case Long Branch, to receive private funds, not taxpayer money as legislators wish to do, to construct and rehab homes.” <br /> <br /> Mayor Mironov said the township will adjust if lawmakers do not honor pending RCAs, or COAH declines the proposed contract between the township and Long Branch. <br /> <br /> ”The regulations have been somewhat of a moving target,” she added. “We’ll have to see where they end up and make a judgment call from there. We will evaluate what’s most feasible for the township.” <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.packetonline.com/articles/2008/06/26/windsor_hights_herald/news/doc4863f73707815883815393.txt" target="_blank">http://www.packetonline.com/articles/2008/06/26/windsor_hights_herald/news/doc4863f73707815883815393.txt</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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