Author	Message
anon-0292	Posted: Tue, Nov 18 2014, 1:54 pm EST    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign 2015 Library budget cut $35,000? true of false? why?
anon-97on	Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 11:01 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign There's no point to a vote if the library building and the needed parking/Park Place extension were entirely primely funded. So as worded above makes no sense. The referendum would be if the Tv were contemplating contributing to the cost of construction for the building or to fund the parking and road extension shown in the master plan that is, no matter what some people say, a necessary project should the library be built, just as all the early renderings for it showed until they realized that made its need obvious. So a vote would be do you support the Township raising bond money to contribute to this project. That said, even with as worded in the previous post, it's yet another excuse to skip a vote by projecting that it wouldn't satisfy those who oppose the project even if they lost. That's a bogus reason not to vote. Someone will always complain about something. But if you are going to involve public taxes in any way now or in the future on this project or related parking, why be afraid of the vote? I don't buy that the reason is you fear winning it. Yes, this TC is better than the one we had when this issue previously came up when the Bank was being sold. That TV tried to railroad it through, right when our tax base was starting to contract, even freezing out two of the 5 members of their own Committee. The current TC is not like that. But that doesn't mean that something as significant and clearly polarizing as this shouldn't be subject to a referendum.
anon-921r	Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 5:23 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Anon-023r wrote: Pay the bill like everyone else So if a referendum is had and supporters win those complaining will no longer complain? I seem to think if a referendum is had as follows, "do you support the library raising money and building a library through those donations?" That the library will get more support than those opposing it. So I am not sure why those in opposition would want a vote. I'd prefer for the TC to set forth restrictions such as if it takes 3 mill to build the library will need a reserve of 20% set aside for future issues, that the donations must be in hand prior to the building, that the maintenance be supported by donations and whatever tax revenue is already dedicated, etc...I'd also like to see this in a binding contract so future elected officials can't change it. I trust this TC, I have not always trusted other TCs and likely will not trust some future TCs. This one over the last few years actually doesn't vote 5-0 all the time which keeps a balance.
Anon-023r	Posted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 6:19 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Pay the bill like everyone else
anon-921r	Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 10:00 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign willofthepeeps-534r wrote: Let the people vote yea or nay. Why are these supporters such Bolsheviks? What if the library supporters win? Then what will you do?
willofthepeeps-534r	Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 9:31 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Let the people vote yea or nay. Why are these supporters such Bolsheviks?
anon-ppq3	Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 8:25 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Cranbury Public Library pays rent to the school - about $54,000.00 About $30,000.00 of this is for the "Blackseal Custodian" who must be on site when the building is open and the school is not. The remainder is heating, cooling, etc. Information was given at the Q&A.
anon-97on	Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 7:45 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign The $30 per person is a hypothetical number, not a real one. In reality taxes are relative and dynamic. That number represents the annual payment on a bond if everyone paid average taxes and the tax base never changed. In reality the tax base changes every year and has shrunk for the last 7 years in a row. As it shrinks everyone has to pay more for the same budgetary figure. Some people would be paying many times that number, whether they supported the library or not. Let's be clear that this would be paid for by having he Township take out new debt. We'd be whipping out our municipal bond credit card and that $30 hypothetical figure is us making minimum payments on it for decades. On top of this would be the payments for the bonds to dredge the lake, build the parking and Park Place extension to service the library which is not included in their budget and to honor the Township's previous commitment to complete the Liberty Way extension and bridge among other projects. Someone above asked why this is not put to a vote of residents. That suggestion has been put forward over and over every time this issue has come up but supports have always resisted it. Why?
Anon-023r	Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 6:52 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Expensive, unnecessary, capital projects.
anon-pq18	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 11:29 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Anon-023r wrote: If the mistake of building this is made, it will be "easy" payments of $30. Never ending payments that is. Aren't we still paying for the bridge to nowhere? Watch your wallets people! What is this bridge to nowhere you are speaking of?
Anon-023r	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 11:14 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign If the mistake of building this is made, it will be "easy" payments of $30. Never ending payments that is. Aren't we still paying for the bridge to nowhere? Watch your wallets people!
Reason #32-052s	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 6:53 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign anon-ppq3 wrote: At the Library Q&A we learned that to fund the remaining 1.4 million to build the building would cost $30.00 extra in taxes. The school budget often goes up hundreds of dollars each year in taxes. The person who is posting $1000.00 extra in taxes is misinformed. In any case, the library is committed to raising the money through the foundation so no increase in taxes. They had displays demonstrating how the rent that is paid to the school will cover the operating costs of the building. Also, the school doesn't money because the rent covers the extra costs to keep the library in the building, and they would gain security and space. Reason #32: Assuming you accept all of the library board's assumptions about the costs to build, furnish, operate and maintain a new library (and why wouldn't you?), and the magic math that says it somehow won't affect the school to lose $60,000 in rent, then it's not $1,000 per household, it's only 30 easy payments of $33.33. All in favor, write a check! (Do I get a free set of steak knives if I order now?)
anon-4298	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 2:47 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign anon-ppq3 wrote: At the Library Q&A we learned that to fund the remaining 1.4 million to build the building would cost $30.00 extra in taxes. The school budget often goes up hundreds of dollars each year in taxes. The person who is posting $1000.00 extra in taxes is misinformed. In any case, the library is committed to raising the money through the foundation so no increase in taxes. They had displays demonstrating how the rent that is paid to the school will cover the operating costs of the building. Also, the school doesn't money because the rent covers the extra costs to keep the library in the building, and they would gain security and space. Let's assume the school stayed flat with rent. No idea if they do, but my guess is they would rarely check expenses given they went decades without rent. If we assume 3% inflation then how many years is it before the cost of rent to is exceeded by expenses. Are we talking decades in which case the library argument holds water or are we talking 2 years which would mean that expenses would exceed rent by the time the building is built.
anon-ppq3	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 2:00 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Excuse me: Quote: In any case, the library is committed to raising the money through the foundation so no increase in taxes. They had displays demonstrating how the rent that is paid to the school will cover the operating costs of the building. Also, the school doesn't money because the rent covers the extra costs to keep the library in the building, and they would gain security and space. meant to say ...the school doesn't lose out on money because the rent covers the extra costs to keep the public library in the school building...
anon-ppq3	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 1:19 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign At the Library Q&A we learned that to fund the remaining 1.4 million to build the building would cost $30.00 extra in taxes. The school budget often goes up hundreds of dollars each year in taxes. The person who is posting $1000.00 extra in taxes is misinformed. In any case, the library is committed to raising the money through the foundation so no increase in taxes. They had displays demonstrating how the rent that is paid to the school will cover the operating costs of the building. Also, the school doesn't money because the rent covers the extra costs to keep the library in the building, and they would gain security and space.
Anon-p998	Posted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 6:10 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Excellent idea. Please present that on Thursday night.