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[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"] I am curious whether any of the existing Library Board members or fundraising campaign chairs would pledge on the record that they have no intent of ever seeking public funds from Cranbury Township to supplement the final costs for the building or the parking and access and would support abandoning the project should it not 100% achieve all costs through private donations and other non-taxpayer sources such as grants. I suspect we will hear crickets on that challenge, kind of like the swim club board members response to the request to state on the record that they have enough cash to pay back the outstanding bond requests.[/quote] Your challenge doesn't make sense. For one thing, there is already $500,000 of tax revenueset aside for the project. Beyond that, if a thru road and a parking lot are going to benefit the school, Main st businesses AND the library, it seems reasonable to expect the town and/or school to contribute to make that happenn. Lots of people think the road and parking lot are a good idea regardless of a new library.[/quote] Why does it seem reasonable for the "Town and/or School" to contribute to the Libraries parking lot?[/quote] Do you think it is reasonable to expect the library to pay all of the costs of a municipal parking lot that will be used by the school, library and town?[/quote] Yes, it makes sense for the library to pay for a parking lot for their new building since it would be primarily built for the library. Is there a plan to build it otherwise?[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2011, 10:31 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>guest15 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I find it hard to believe in this period of low inflation (sub 3%), our tax bill is going up over 6%. Why is the town increasing spending at over twice the rate of inflation?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />They didn't increase spending at all. They actually lowered it a little. But your tax bill is a factor to both spending and the total tax base (expense and revenue). Commercial property valuations in Cranbury have declined rapidly, along with home values. Every year commercial properties and some homes successfully appeal for lower assessments which reduces the total assessed tax base for Cranbury by double digits. Therefore if spending remains flat your tax bill will go up. It becomes a question of how much can they cut from spending just to keep pace with the declining tax base.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2011, 7:49 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>guest15 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I find it hard to believe in this period of low inflation (sub 3%), our tax bill is going up over 6%. Why is the town increasing spending at over twice the rate of inflation?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Wrong thread. See one of the threads on municipal taxes for answers to your questions.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>guest15</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2011, 6:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I find it hard to believe in this period of low inflation (sub 3%), our tax bill is going up over 6%. Why is the town increasing spending at over twice the rate of inflation?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Aug 3 2011, 6:11 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Yawn</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>publius</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon, Aug 1 2011, 7:06 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thats just the entry vestibule!!!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 11:42 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In summary, some people find it misleading for the library people to say they're going to pay for the project with private funds when in fact they plan to use $500k in tax revenue and ask the town to put in a parking lot. <br /> <br />Some people also find it misleading when the anti-library people pretend the township is not considering a municipal parking lot when parking is a widely discussed subject (especially simce the bank was sold) and the planners included a parking lot next to the proposed library location in the master plan which was updated last year.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 9:23 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. <br /> <br />If people are saying there is no need for a stand alone library then parking won't be any more of an issue than it is today for the library as usage will remain the same and the parking is sufficient. No one is saying that we need to add parking today for the library. <br /> <br />If people are saying the library is a need and if it's stand alone then people will be using it more than there is a need. The reason being that there will be more traffic and thus not enough spaces to accommodate the need. <br /> <br />It seems you can't argue against the library and for parking or for the library and against parking.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Nice try reversing the argument but just because you say it doesn't make it true. <br /> <br />The planners and fundraisers for the new library are actively arguing the new building will bring a greater volume of people than the current one. So by their own admission there will be a greater parking need if it is built. If you don't build it, you don't need the additional parking. What you are effectively saying is: "Let's build it assuming we will need additional parking but then let's ignore that and say we don't need to build parking because the naysayers don't believe we need the library." Dumb. <br /> <br />Besides, I haven't seen anyone say that a stand-alone library wouldn't attract any more traffic. But that's not the same thing as saying its an essential Township project and worthy of additional taxpayer money. <br /> <br />If the supporters of the stand alone library really believe they have strong Township support why do they consistently resist the suggestions of those against it to put it to a public referendum?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />This was my first post on the thread because I find it idiotic how people are arguing for a stand alone library as it will be better used, but have not considered parking. And how people are against a library now say if it is built it has to have parking to accommodate the usage. <br /> <br />Further, I will say the Business Assoc and certain TC members advocated for a parking lot behind Park Place on the Master Plan. That is separate from the library.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 9:19 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In summary, some people find it misleading for the library people to say they're going to pay for the project with private funds when in fact they plan to use $500k in tax revenue and ask the town to put in a parking lot. <br /> <br />Some people also find it misleading when the anti-library people pretend the township is not considering a municipal parking lot when parking is a widely discussed subject (especially simce the bank was sold) and the planners included a parking lot next to the proposed library location in the master plan which was updated last year.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 8:55 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. <br /> <br />If people are saying there is no need for a stand alone library then parking won't be any more of an issue than it is today for the library as usage will remain the same and the parking is sufficient. No one is saying that we need to add parking today for the library. <br /> <br />If people are saying the library is a need and if it's stand alone then people will be using it more than there is a need. The reason being that there will be more traffic and thus not enough spaces to accommodate the need. <br /> <br />It seems you can't argue against the library and for parking or for the library and against parking.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />If you really think so you're the one who needs the mirror and some remedial lessons in sentence comprehension. <br /> <br />Nice try reversing the argument but just because you say it doesn't make it true. <br /> <br />The planners and fundraisers for the new library are actively arguing the new building will bring a greater volume of people than the current one. So by their own admission there will be a greater parking need if it is built. If you don't build it, you don't need the additional parking. What you are effectively saying is: "Let's build it assuming we will need additional parking but then let's ignore that and say we don't need to build parking because the naysayers don't believe we need the library." Dumb. <br /> <br />Besides, I haven't seen anyone say that a stand-alone library wouldn't attract any more traffic. But that's not the same thing as saying its an essential Township project and worthy of additional taxpayer money. <br /> <br />If the supporters of the stand alone library really believe they have strong Township support why do they consistently resist the suggestions of those against it to put it to a public referendum?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Speaking of "dumb", it looks like the person you are calling "dumb" pretty much agrees with you. Wow, do you need a mirror!</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 8:08 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. I looked back over the thread, your reply was the first snarky post. <br /> <br />I am just saying it doesn't help your cause. If you think it does go right ahead. It is your funeral.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I suppose you're right. My snarkiness was in response to the obnoxious posts. Describing the BS challenge as "snarky" would be to give it too much credit for being clever. <br /> <br />What did you mean by your "funeral" comment?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />"It is your funeral" is an idiomatic figure of speech meaning, Do whatever you want, but you will have to deal with the consequences. In this case it means the tone is not helping your argument.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 1:26 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. <br /> <br />If people are saying there is no need for a stand alone library then parking won't be any more of an issue than it is today for the library as usage will remain the same and the parking is sufficient. No one is saying that we need to add parking today for the library. <br /> <br />If people are saying the library is a need and if it's stand alone then people will be using it more than there is a need. The reason being that there will be more traffic and thus not enough spaces to accommodate the need. <br /> <br />It seems you can't argue against the library and for parking or for the library and against parking.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Nice try reversing the argument but just because you say it doesn't make it true. <br /> <br />The planners and fundraisers for the new library are actively arguing the new building will bring a greater volume of people than the current one. So by their own admission there will be a greater parking need if it is built. If you don't build it, you don't need the additional parking. What you are effectively saying is: "Let's build it assuming we will need additional parking but then let's ignore that and say we don't need to build parking because the naysayers don't believe we need the library." Dumb. <br /> <br />Besides, I haven't seen anyone say that a stand-alone library wouldn't attract any more traffic. But that's not the same thing as saying its an essential Township project and worthy of additional taxpayer money. <br /> <br />If the supporters of the stand alone library really believe they have strong Township support why do they consistently resist the suggestions of those against it to put it to a public referendum?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Speaking of "dumb", it looks like the person you are calling "dumb" pretty much agrees with you. Wow, do you need a mirror!</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jul 30 2011, 1:23 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. I looked back over the thread, your reply was the first snarky post. <br /> <br />I am just saying it doesn't help your cause. If you think it does go right ahead. It is your funeral.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I suppose you're right. My snarkiness was in response to the obnoxious posts. Describing the BS challenge as "snarky" would be to give it too much credit for being clever. <br /> <br />What did you mean by your "funeral" comment?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2011, 9:29 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am confused. <br /> <br />If people are saying there is no need for a stand alone library then parking won't be any more of an issue than it is today for the library as usage will remain the same and the parking is sufficient. No one is saying that we need to add parking today for the library. <br /> <br />If people are saying the library is a need and if it's stand alone then people will be using it more than there is a need. The reason being that there will be more traffic and thus not enough spaces to accommodate the need. <br /> <br />It seems you can't argue against the library and for parking or for the library and against parking.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Nice try reversing the argument but just because you say it doesn't make it true. <br /> <br />The planners and fundraisers for the new library are actively arguing the new building will bring a greater volume of people than the current one. So by their own admission there will be a greater parking need if it is built. If you don't build it, you don't need the additional parking. What you are effectively saying is: "Let's build it assuming we will need additional parking but then let's ignore that and say we don't need to build parking because the naysayers don't believe we need the library." Dumb. <br /> <br />Besides, I haven't seen anyone say that a stand-alone library wouldn't attract any more traffic. But that's not the same thing as saying its an essential Township project and worthy of additional taxpayer money. <br /> <br />If the supporters of the stand alone library really believe they have strong Township support why do they consistently resist the suggestions of those against it to put it to a public referendum?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2011, 8:42 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am confused. <br /> <br />If people are saying there is no need for a stand alone library then parking won't be any more of an issue than it is today for the library as usage will remain the same and the parking is sufficient. No one is saying that we need to add parking today for the library. <br /> <br />If people are saying the library is a need and if it's stand alone then people will be using it more than there is a need. The reason being that there will be more traffic and thus not enough spaces to accommodate the need. <br /> <br />It seems you can't argue against the library and for parking or for the library and against parking.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2011, 7:14 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I am confused. I looked back over the thread, your reply was the first snarky post. <br /> <br />I am just saying it doesn't help your cause. If you think it does go right ahead. It is your funeral.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2011, 6:19 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Cranbury Unveils Plans for New Library</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Guest wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">This is what I knew would happen. It starts out this new library is completely self financed. Now it turns out the school and township are supposed to build a road and parking lot! How much does this cost? I have no idea about the parking lot, but that road would be at least a million dollars. That would be school and township money, in other words taxpayer dollars.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Dear Chicken Little, <br />Relax. The town and the school are not required to do anything. The road and parking lot are simply hypothetical. The library doesn't require a road, or a big municipal parking lot. If the town chooses tomake a parking lot next to the library, the library will use it. If not, the library will probably be required toadd a small parking lot to their plans.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You relax. Over and over we are told it won't cost the tax payers anything. Now library supporters are saying they need a road and a parking lot at tax payer expense, classic bait and switch.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Dear Chicken Little, <br />You should be familiar with this- it is a classic "chicken and egg" scenario. The town identifies an area for a municipal parking lot in the master plan, along with a place for the library. Which comes first, if either, is anyone's guess. Neither is guaranteed to be built. <br /> <br />However, the library assumes the town will build the parking lot before (or at the same time) they build the library. You seem to believe the library will be in a position to be built before the parking lot. We have a long way to go before either of those things is seriously ready to move forward. <br /> <br />If the library is ready first, you can bet they will expect the town to handle the parking lot. The town can choose not to at that time. However, keep in mind that if the library raises $2.7 million through private donations, the likelihood is that the majority of the town will have contributed and will be supporting the library at that point.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Dear Fantasy Island Resident, <br /> <br />The library needs additional parking. You can't build the library with the idea that a parking lot will be built at some imaginary future date. If you are building a library you must build parking. If you claim you are building a library entirely on donations, but you expect the School and Township to build your parking you are being disingenuous. The problem is many in this town don't believe you are serious in building it entirely by donation. You have done nothing to convince them otherwise. <br /> <br />P.S. The snarkiness only adds to the distrust.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />CL- <br />I'm not building a library. I'm simply pointing out that, at this point, the library's plan for parking is that the town will build the municipal lot included in the most recent master plan. This assumption may turn out to be false, in which case, the library will need another plan. <br /> <br />If you're going to make snarky posts, expect to get it back in spades. That's how it works.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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