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[quote="anon-s316"]Paul Mullen: Glenn’s response has a few valid points. I was a member of the committee that updated the list of permitted uses within the HC Zone. As a member of the DRC I attended two meetings where the Penske application was discussed. As a member of the Environmental Commission I met directly with Penske to discuss the EC’s concerns about their application. And despite all of this knowledge of Penske, I fumbled the ball. Here’s what I did wrong. . First, back in 2016 I had no objection to the term “substantially similar”. Now that I understand the damage it can wreak, Cranbury should do everything in its power to remove this phrase from our Code. Second, I failed to recognize during the DRC meeting on January 24, 2019 that a “permitted use” decision regarding Penske had ALREADY been made at. In fact, it wouldn’t be until March 11 that I would realize that the Zoning Officer made this decision back on June 12, 2018. Because of this, it wasn’t until March 21 (following the EC meeting on March 18) that the EC was prepared to distribute our objections to the Penske application to the TC, PB and ZBA. . Now, on to Glenn’s misstatements: First, Glenn insinuates that I should have raised an objection about “permitted use” at the two DRC meetings involving Penske. Actually, no one at these meetings mentioned that issue because there is NEVER a discussion at a DRC meeting as to whether a use is permitted or not. That’s something determined solely by the Zoning Officer in conjunction with the Zoning Board. Second, Glenn indicates that the EC was negligent when it decided to “wait until nearly 14 months after Penske came to Paul Mullen’s attention before it raised an objection”. The January 18, 2018 DRC meeting with Penske was a short, Informal discussion. Many meetings such as these never make it to the full application stage. It’s ludicrous for Glenn to suggest that the EC should have raised an alarm to the Township after such a meeting. . Finally, Glenn makes a demonstrably false claim, stating that “Paul raised no objections, environmental or otherwise” at the Penske DRC meetings. DRC minutes available online at the Township website state otherwise. At the 2018 DRC meeting, I was deeply concerned about Penske’s awareness of Cranbury’s new Riparian Zone Ordinance. At the 2019 DRC meeting I had so many concerns that it was agreed that Penske should attend the next EC meeting in person to discuss them in detail. . Glenn’s response concludes by painting a benign picture of a typical Penske Truck Leasing site. I can only guess that he’s unaware of the 2017 article I posted earlier in this thread which contains 3 Penske sites in a list of “N.J.’s Most Toxic Sites”. . In retrospect, though, almost of everything written above is beside the point. All of this is water under the bridge. I just couldn’t let some of Glenn’s statements go unchallenged. So let me end with the following. . We’re having this discussion because, in June of 2018, the Zoning Officer made a mistake. He misread the list of permitted uses in the HC Zone and thought that it said “Automobile Rental & Leasing”. But it does NOT say this at all. It says “Passenger Car Rental & Leasing”, a markedly different thing. But based on this error and the fact that (in Cranbury’s Code) the term Automobile also includes trucks, the Zoning Officer concluded that the rental of ALL TRUCKS was also permitted, even 53-foot tractor trailers. This – and this alone – is why the Zoning Officer’s ruling should be appealed. You don’t need a law degree to see this. . Because of ratables, the Township government would prefer to have a potentially toxic, 24,000 square foot, 24/7 truck rental facility on the banks of Brainerd Lake rather than a housing complex or a house of worship. If this is in line with Cranbury’s Master Plan, something is fundamentally wrong.[/quote]
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anon-7666
Posted: Sat, May 18 2019, 8:46 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
So now trolls are taking tomsimply reposting wrong information.
anon-s316
Posted: Sat, May 18 2019, 7:52 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
anon:0qs9-0076 wrote:
Here is the deal=In many folks opinion Art has feathered his bed for a long long time with his positions on various boards. He has influenced the boards and Committee members to crucify Cranbury Service Center at the Circle for years claiming truck service centers are not acceptable.. His relationship with George's Garage has cost the Cranbury Service Center hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees due to Art's influence to restrict Truck Stop and Service Center applications. The Zoning officer has had a court order restricting his access to the Cranbury Service Center due to the overzealous actions precipitated by Art's influence on the Zoning Office.. Don't any of you so called folks who should know better realize that now he can hit a financial Home Run and now he now is willing to take the financial windfall from Penske. By the way he also gets to keep the 20+ grand a year payment from the cell tower on that parcel.
You can bash Paul all you want but the bottom line is that this is one of the worst --if not the worst-- Zoning/Planning decision ever made by the Township of Cranbury. Quite frankly Paul cares about the fair and proper effects on the environment and not the almighty $$$.
The failure to insure proper environmental impacts are addressed are typical of the pressures exerted by the likes of Mr. Johnson on numerous applications under the guise of "private citizen" comments to the boards. Although this may be "legal" the EC members were not afforded the same opportunity to comment and voice their valid concerns. The Committee really needs to stop allowing the pressure they exert to foster bad decisions for the environment and the future of our community.
What we really need is an intelligent concern for sound ratables that do not compromise the community residents,main street, nor the environment---The Committee needs to focus on that concern and not the race for ratables at any cost which now appears to be the norm !!!
Unfortunatly the present Mayor Taylor has taken a dictator type lead as to how things are done and the Old Guard Mr. "Ratables at any Cost "Johnson have led us along with the "Mr. Attitude" Mr. Mulligan to this sorry state of affairs. At least Mr.Mulligan will be gone and we can only hope that the new and remaining members can right the ship we call The Township Committee that has our fate as residents and taxpayers in their hands--------
anon-7666
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 11:30 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
Lol. Wow. So Art who had more battles with the zoning officer than anyone else in the history of the town is suddenly getting favorable treatment?
Paul himself admitted that the EC found no environmental or Riparian issues to stop the Penske application. The EC was all about their view that the zoning officer erred in his decision despite the fact that he makes it in consultation with the planner and town attorney. So Paul is better informed than three peoplee who do zoning as a job and have experience?
I love Jay as a dictator line. You Indivisible folks crack me up because he told you the CRc had no place in town. He’s probably the least dictator and most Cranbury concerned on the committee. He does more volunteer work in town than Mike or Matt combined. The only thing I can see close to dictator is the 3 minute rule for comment he follows which was instituted by Mike and Matt last year. Mike was the one who developed rules for the meetings which never existed before and seems the most like a dictator telling people what they must do and limiting speech. So please enlighten me what dictator actions does he take? Show some examples.
I also find it funny that one of the people running for a Dem seat has a website calling this board conservative when most of the posts start by bashing Glenn, Jay and Dan.
So Yes let’s right the ship and kill the town by electing people advocating for more housing and higher taxes. This TC got us through the recession, lowered our taxes, was able to get two major road repairs worth 3 million done for essentially nothing and dredge the lake. All in the same budget so the debt won’t impact future taxes. Indivisible people would crack me up if they were not so intent on ruining the town.
anon-0424
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 10:25 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
anon:0qs9-0076 wrote:
Here is the deal=In many folks opinion Art has feathered his bed for a long long time with his positions on various boards. He has influenced the boards and Committee members to crucify Cranbury Service Center at the Circle for years claiming truck service centers are not acceptable.. His relationship with George's Garage has cost the Cranbury Service Center hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees due to Art's influence to restrict Truck Stop and Service Center applications. The Zoning officer has had a court order restricting his access to the Cranbury Service Center due to the overzealous actions precipitated by Art's influence on the Zoning Office.. Don't any of you so called folks who should know better realize that now he can hit a financial Home Run and now he now is willing to take the financial windfall from Penske. By the way he also gets to keep the 20+ grand a year payment from the cell tower on that parcel.
You can bash Paul all you want but the bottom line is that this is one of the worst --if not the worst-- Zoning/Planning decision ever made by the Township of Cranbury. Quite frankly Paul cares about the fair and proper effects on the environment and not the almighty $$$.
The failure to insure proper environmental impacts are addressed are typical of the pressures exerted by the likes of Mr. Johnson on numerous applications under the guise of "private citizen" comments to the boards. Although this may be "legal" the EC members were not afforded the same opportunity to comment and voice their valid concerns. The Committee really needs to stop allowing the pressure they exert to foster bad decisions for the environment and the future of our community.
What we really need is an intelligent concern for sound ratables that do not compromise the community residents,main street, nor the environment---The Committee needs to focus on that concern and not the race for ratables at any cost which now appears to be the norm !!!
Unfortunatly the present Mayor Taylor has taken a dictator type lead as to how things are done and the Old Guard Mr. "Ratables at any Cost "Johnson have led us along with the "Mr. Attitude" Mr. Mulligan to this sorry state of affairs. At least Mr.Mulligan will be gone and we can only hope that the new and remaining members can right the ship we call The Township Committee that has our fate as residents and taxpayers in their hands--------
Thank you Roy
anon:0qs9-0076
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 9:51 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
Here is the deal=In many folks opinion Art has feathered his bed for a long long time with his positions on various boards. He has influenced the boards and Committee members to crucify Cranbury Service Center at the Circle for years claiming truck service centers are not acceptable.. His relationship with George's Garage has cost the Cranbury Service Center hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees due to Art's influence to restrict Truck Stop and Service Center applications. The Zoning officer has had a court order restricting his access to the Cranbury Service Center due to the overzealous actions precipitated by Art's influence on the Zoning Office.. Don't any of you so called folks who should know better realize that now he can hit a financial Home Run and now he now is willing to take the financial windfall from Penske. By the way he also gets to keep the 20+ grand a year payment from the cell tower on that parcel.
You can bash Paul all you want but the bottom line is that this is one of the worst --if not the worst-- Zoning/Planning decision ever made by the Township of Cranbury. Quite frankly Paul cares about the fair and proper effects on the environment and not the almighty $$$.
The failure to insure proper environmental impacts are addressed are typical of the pressures exerted by the likes of Mr. Johnson on numerous applications under the guise of "private citizen" comments to the boards. Although this may be "legal" the EC members were not afforded the same opportunity to comment and voice their valid concerns. The Committee really needs to stop allowing the pressure they exert to foster bad decisions for the environment and the future of our community.
What we really need is an intelligent concern for sound ratables that do not compromise the community residents,main street, nor the environment---The Committee needs to focus on that concern and not the race for ratables at any cost which now appears to be the norm !!!
Unfortunatly the present Mayor Taylor has taken a dictator type lead as to how things are done and the Old Guard Mr. "Ratables at any Cost "Johnson have led us along with the "Mr. Attitude" Mr. Mulligan to this sorry state of affairs. At least Mr.Mulligan will be gone and we can only hope that the new and remaining members can right the ship we call The Township Committee that has our fate as residents and taxpayers in their hands--------
anon-rqso
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 3:10 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
anon-r5qq wrote:
How come nobody is questioning our long time resident Art. He happens to be on the planning board at the time and still at the present time. Casting votes when his interests are clearly not for our town. Oh how everyone loved him and said how great he was. INVESTIGATE
We all know this is Paul
Maybe the person that needs to be investigated is Paul
anon-7666
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 12:47 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
As the previous poster said, Jay did not reappoint Art in January. The property was sold to Penske before it came before the Planning Board and Art was no longer benefiting from anything related to the application.
You and Paul are essentially accusing the Zoning Officer, our legal counsel, our planner and the entire PB of doing an illegal action by favoring an application based on a relationship. I can pretty much assure you that no one is going to break the law for any application and not that many people would all banned together to do it either risking law licenses, their planning business or their reputations.
anon-4os8
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 12:14 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
anon-r5qq wrote:
How come nobody is questioning our long time resident Art. He happens to be on the planning board at the time and still at the present time. Casting votes when his interests are clearly not for our town. Oh how everyone loved him and said how great he was. INVESTIGATE
Art's not on the Planning Board now. Not sure where you're getting your info.
And not sure where you're getting the "everyone loved him and said how great he was" part either.
Seems like you're just making stuff up to create a strawman argument.
anon-r5qq
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 11:25 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
How come nobody is questioning our long time resident Art. He happens to be on the planning board at the time and still at the present time. Casting votes when his interests are clearly not for our town. Oh how everyone loved him and said how great he was. INVESTIGATE
anon-0292
Posted: Fri, May 17 2019, 11:09 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
[/quote]
Sorry Paul, but this is BS belated outrage on your part. The environmental commission has a rep on the development review board for this very reason (You should know, you’re that guy!). Where was your outrage a year ago?You might think this is going to get your Environmental Commission Chair-friend Barbara get elected, but the reality is, both of you should have known about this and raised the alarm bells when something could have been done about it. Now you want to whine about it after the fact and blame everyone else.[/quote]
Similar style to his wife, Director Mullen at Public Library; a weak and lily-livered approach to decision making, problem solving, and professional responsibility.
Both practice the fine art of of finger-pointing and self aggrandizing. Both dwell in the echo chamber of their porch buddies, and for Director Mullen her staff.
These elite circles will remain in TC Boards & Committees until independent thinkers & doers VOLUNTEER.
Guest
Posted: Thu, May 16 2019, 11:46 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
http://www.cranburytownship.org/pb_agendas/2011/PB_minutes010611.pdf
anon-40o3
Posted: Thu, May 16 2019, 9:32 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
Plus one with above.
Unless you live in affordable unit or four seasons your primary influencing factor on your home value is the Blue Ribbon school and Princeton. Look at Monroe, East windsor and Hightstown. Why are our home values higher? If our kids went to Monroe or Hightstown High our values would not be near their current levels.
The other factor on home values are taxes and that includes 4 seasons. The rateables and small student population are the biggest factors in our tax rate compared to other surrounding towns.
If we had to build new schools and staff the new schools our taxes would sky rocket.
I don’t understand anyone advocating for more kids and houses.
anon-572n
Posted: Thu, May 16 2019, 9:15 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
anon-s316 wrote:
Paul Mullen:
Because of ratables, the Township government would prefer to have a potentially toxic, 24,000 square foot, 24/7 truck rental facility on the banks of Brainerd Lake rather than a housing complex or a house of worship.
If this is in line with Cranbury’s Master Plan, something is fundamentally wrong.
I find Paul's entire response to be rather disingenuous but this last part is what bothers me the most. In that zone already there are gas stations, auto repair shops and warehouses, all of which could be "potentially toxic." This is not a nuclear waste disposal site that's being proposed.
But let's please not pretend that the school is not a factor in why Cranbury is considered a desirable place to raise a family. For many of us, the school is a huge priority and there is NOTHING "fundamentally wrong" with wanting to keep it the way it is. Nothing "fundamentally wrong" with prioritizing education and not wanting an apartment complex that would completely ruin the school and our tax bills.
anon-40o3
Posted: Thu, May 16 2019, 8:21 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
While I don’t think Glenn is the best member ever. I am smart enough to realize that 200 apartments would kill my home value and children’s education.
Unfortunately, Indivisible and all their cronies don’t care about Cranbury or the residents they are blinded by self interest and an insular circle. They either don’t have kids affected if Princeton goes away or they have the funds for private school.
Not one person running on the Indivisible ticket has anything besides a social issue and platform. They want higher taxes for nice to have items, more housing and and to change our town to Princeton.
anon-s316
Posted: Thu, May 16 2019, 7:57 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
Glenn is probably the best TC member ever.
anon-4485
Posted: Wed, May 15 2019, 10:12 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Penske Trucking
- The last point is most relevant. It is the typical, I got mine attitude we see all over. He took advantage of Princeton and no longer sees a benefit for the school. So he doesn’t care that building of 200 apartments will cost us Princeton, higher taxes and new schools. He can move away from Cranbury leaving us with the mess to clean up.
Then what about personal accountability:
- he contradicts himself. First saying he did not understand the term similar uses and then proceeds to say the Zoning Officer made the wrong decision. As a DRC member he should know the Zoning Officer follows local Ordinances and state law. He also consults with the Town legal counsel and aplanner before ruling. To believe Paul would mean that all three did not understand the law around the zoning. Which brings us to the fact he starts by admitting he did not understand the similar uses language.
- Even if the Zoning Officer ruled against Penske the Zoning Board would be likely forced to grant a variance given the similar uses in the zone.
- Paul sits on the DRC, but doesn’t do his homework or prepare? If as he states originally the Zoning Officer is making a mistake and knowing the zoning officer’s opinion is key on an application why not find out what the zoning officer decided before his meeting? He excuses his lack of prep essentially by saying the whole DRC is asleep at the wheel. That makes me feel even better.
- If so concerned then Glenn is right that Paul should have told the public before the PB voted not after. Why wait until the residents can’t do anything? The answer is...it is a political letter to get his TC candidates elected.