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joe the plumber	Posted: Sat, Mar 14 2009, 10:46 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven Jersey Dad wrote: joe the plumber wrote: They should build a HOOTERS there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a suggestion. Don't blow the surprise, Joe! That's the plan for the PNC Bank building. YIP-PYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
Guest	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 10:27 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven I agree with JD's view. "Currently, a gas station or a convenience store is allowed in General Commercial zones but not on the proposed project’s site, which is in a Highway Commercial zone, Ms. Marcelli said. " The 7-11 needs a variance from the town to proceed. The town should take this opportunity to make sure all the concerns are addressed before granting the variance. It's a different story if 7-11 does not need the variance. ”The site is an eyesore today,” Mr. Palus said. “This amenity really isn’t readily available and it certainly fits here.” A Cranbury-style 7-11 will make me proud.
Jersey Dad	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 10:20 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven joe the plumber wrote: They should build a HOOTERS there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a suggestion. Don't blow the surprise, Joe! That's the plan for the PNC Bank building.
Jersey Dad	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 10:18 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven Guest wrote: realist1 wrote: My question to all those concerned about noise, lighting, etc. is, what did you expect when you purchased a home that backed up to a highway? Eventually everyone knew this would happen. I've held my tongue on this one because I have sympathy for the residents, but ultimately, but I kind of agree. I certainly understand the perspective of the guest poster. I would offer the following points for consideration... 1. Some of the residents who will feel the greatest impact have lived on Ryan Road since long before the proliferation of 24 hour convenience stores and gas stations. 2. For newer residents, the stores along that part of Route 130 have typically closed at midnight (or earlier). 3. In a town that goes to great lengths in the name of preservation, it is reasonable for ALL residents (irregardless of their neighborhood) to expect the township to give consideration to their concerns about development. 4. Although the properties along Route 130 are zoned commercial, there are certain zoning restrictions and residents have a right to expect the township to address their concerns before granting zoning variances.
joe the plumber	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 10:11 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven They should build a HOOTERS there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a suggestion.
foxymoxy	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 10:09 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven You could always buy some land out in the woods and build yerself a log cabin!!!!!!!! Live Abe Lincoln style.
Guest	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 9:26 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven realist1 wrote: My question to all those concerned about noise, lighting, etc. is, what did you expect when you purchased a home that backed up to a highway? Eventually everyone knew this would happen. I've held my tongue on this one because I have sympathy for the residents, but ultimately, but I kind of agree. We have bought and sold 5 times over the years in various markets. We also researched the surrounding areas. In our first neighborhood we knew when we bought that a picturesque undeveloped hill was privately owned and would likely be developed some day, just as the neighborhood we were buying into was once a beautiful undeveloped hill for the older neighbors down in the adjacent valley. In fact, we turned down a great deal on a home seemingly next to an open field because the research showed that it would be where they logically built the access road to that future development some day. Sure enough a few years later they started to develop it and what a stink all our neighbors made – all the same people who wouldn’t have been able buy their new homes a few years earlier if the neighbors down the hill had succeeded in the exact opposition they were now waging. It’s like development in okay until someone moves in, then it has to stop and go somewhere else. Eventually of course the developers won, after a lot of wasted time and money on the neighbor’s part. Over the years we have rejected many houses out of hand because of their adjacency. We’d tell realtors up-front not to waste our time if the house was on a heavily trafficked street or next to commercial development or too close to power lines, etc. They would drive us by some anyway and we wouldn’t even et out of the car because it was a non-starter. I remember being driven passed a home for sale on Silvers Lane in Cranbury that looked great on the outside and had a quiet street. But it was obvious it backed to 130 so we didn’t even go in. Similarly, we looked at the new Liedtke houses but the lots still available were near Old Trenton and some faced an undeveloped parcel that we found out was zoned for a future commercial building, so we didn’t pursue it any further. We also didn’t look at some houses in Cranbury Green because of their proximity to 130. Life is full of choices. Some people may not mind being near a busy highway or near commercial development, and good for them. Or they are willing to make the trade-off to get the exact home they want or to get some other benefit, like walking distance to Main Street. Fine. But Cranbury is full of a diversity of options. If you don’t want to be near 130, look on Wynnewood or in Shadow Oaks for similarly priced options, if you don’t like Liedkte you have Shady Brook or Petty or the courts off of Cranbury Neck and Ancil Davison for similar homes. All that said, I can’t blame the affected neighbors from acting in their self-interest. That’s only natural. As far as I’m concerned, this 7-11 doesn’t affect me one way or the other so I’ll stay out of it. But I don’t feel any righteous indignation that it doesn’t belong there. Route 130 is a full of commercial properties and I’ sure there will be more to come.
Guest	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 7:13 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven First off, this is not a mom and pop business owner, 7-11 is a corporation and as such they employ enough people to work out solutions which they are trying to do. Many posts especially the recent ones above seem to indicate that this is a take it as planned or don't take it approach. You're also criticizing the residents who want to work on a solution. My question for you is why are you opposed to the town negotiating with the store and feel it should be an automatic approval for 7-11? The store is asking for a variance which means that they do not fit the confines of the property today or even meet the restrictions of the property- it's not zoned for a convenience store. If it is okay for the store to ask for modifications then why not the town as well? It makes no sense to me that we allow a business, any business to simply open as they want wherever they want. That is why we have the planning and zoning board. I want the rateable, but also want to ensure that we meet the needs of residents (all residents) as well. The traffic in the morning is a bad. Having the exit at the jug handle presents a potential hazard. So the DOT should readjust this to prevent any potential issues. Also, the headlights are an issue because they are increasing the amount of headlights coming at these homes. That issue can be solved simply by having the exit on S. River Rd as opposed to Rt. 130. That also solves the traffic issue.
realist1	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 1:19 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven My question to all those concerned about noise, lighting, etc. is, what did you expect when you purchased a home that backed up to a highway? Eventually everyone knew this would happen. You can't continue to think that Cranbury is the exception to the rule and is somehow protected by an invisible bubble. Residents that own homes next to the this proposed location and are against it have no basis for their arguement. If the street lights from the highway and noise from passing motorist all night long hasn't been an issue for you in the past then why now? What exactly makes you think that noise or lighting issues will be that much worse than what already exists? My feeling is that some residents in the township feel that they alone have the final say so on things. That they somehow are entitled to shut down progress or limit business hours because they are Cranbury Residents and they don't want this in their back yard. It's time that these residents accept that growth of a township is bound to happen whether they like it or not.
Cranbury PRESS	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 1:03 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven Instead of the towns people fighting a business owner trying to open a new business, they should fight the Council when they decided to not hire Cops.
Cranbury Bloke	Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2009, 1:00 am EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven I can smell the coffee brewing already ......I can't wait
Guest	Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009, 8:51 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven 7-11 will be at the triangle Next to California Closets.
Guest	Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009, 8:40 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven Guest wrote: I'm confused about the location. Isn't the "triangle" at South River Road and Route 130 where the gas station already is (also bordered by Maplewood and Cranbury Half Acre Road)? Exactly as previous "Guest" stated. It's at 130 north where 535 branches off. That big ugly piece of asphalt and weeds and trees next to the jughandle.
Guest	Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009, 8:30 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven Guest wrote: I'm confused about the location. Isn't the "triangle" at South River Road and Route 130 where the gas station already is (also bordered by Maplewood and Cranbury Half Acre Road)? On the east side of RT-130 (on the right hand side if you travel on RT-130 north).
Guest	Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009, 8:13 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven I'm confused about the location. Isn't the "triangle" at South River Road and Route 130 where the gas station already is (also bordered by Maplewood and Cranbury Half Acre Road)?
Guest	Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009, 7:38 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: 7 eleven On the second topic, Mr. Palus said he doesn’t expect customers’ headlights to be a major issue, as the store would be located at the site of a jughandle, where, if there were any light disturbances, they would likely already exist, he said. I guess this will not be an issue for the Cranbury Estates people. I'm all for this coming to Cranbury !