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| anon-pp98 |
 Posted: Wed, Sep 6 2017, 9:29 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| anon-r94n wrote: | This is a really good assessment below. It is remarkable how the Library Board & Foundation are managing to cook their books in a shell game with these funds. It all makes sense when you realize the Library Board VP does this for a living. It is remarkable that nearly 500 people have been deceived by this project.
Something else to consider - The foundation has collected nearly $1.5M in donations but only four people account for $750K. In my opinion, this does not appear to be overwhelming support from the community. The foundation has done a great job raising funds and developing a project, but they really need to see the writing on the wall. This is way too much to spend for something that the other 3000 members of the community do not see as a necessity.
| anon-711n wrote: | This chart linked here from the Foundation is a little hard to follow but may show some of the picture:
http://www.cranburylibraryfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/funds-chart.jpg
The library has collected $1,496,523 in pledges
They have spent $160,738 already to an architect
They have $1,806,759 in cash on hand
The total cash and architect spending totals $1,967,497
That is almost $500,000 over the amount collected in pledges
There were probably other expenses during the years of the Foundation
Is this difference the $600,000 in money already taken from the operating budget?
There is also a line stating $419,702 as Library Funds Reserved for construction of a new library
Is this another more money taken from the budget, reducing services to the people, totally over $1 Million to service a new library.
The way this is looking, the library has collected in pledges less than half the funds necessary for a new library which is greater than $3 Million
A full and open disclosure of the funding would be welcome. |
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| anon-5p0n |
| Posted: Tue, Sep 5 2017, 9:48 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| Guest wrote: | | anon-6696 wrote: | | The library is open 4 hours all weekend. That's ridiculous. |
That's four more hours than necessary. School and camp are not in session on weekends. |
Sarcastic? |
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| anon-r94n |
| Posted: Tue, Sep 5 2017, 7:38 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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This is a really good assessment below. It is remarkable how the Library Board & Foundation are managing to cook their books in a shell game with these funds. It all makes sense when you realize the Library Board VP does this for a living. It is remarkable that nearly 500 people have been deceived by this project.
Something else to consider - The foundation has collected nearly $1.5M in donations but only four people account for $750K. In my opinion, this does not appear to be overwhelming support from the community. The foundation has done a great job raising funds and developing a project, but they really need to see the writing on the wall. This is way too much to spend for something that the other 3000 members of the community do not see as a necessity.
| anon-711n wrote: | This chart linked here from the Foundation is a little hard to follow but may show some of the picture:
http://www.cranburylibraryfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/funds-chart.jpg
The library has collected $1,496,523 in pledges
They have spent $160,738 already to an architect
They have $1,806,759 in cash on hand
The total cash and architect spending totals $1,967,497
That is almost $500,000 over the amount collected in pledges
There were probably other expenses during the years of the Foundation
Is this difference the $600,000 in money already taken from the operating budget?
There is also a line stating $419,702 as Library Funds Reserved for construction of a new library
Is this another more money taken from the budget, reducing services to the people, totally over $1 Million to service a new library.
The way this is looking, the library has collected in pledges less than half the funds necessary for a new library which is greater than $3 Million
A full and open disclosure of the funding would be welcome. |
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| Posted: Sun, Sep 3 2017, 1:29 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| anon-6696 wrote: | | The library is open 4 hours all weekend. That's ridiculous. |
That's four more hours than necessary. School and camp are not in session on weekends. |
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| anon-6696 |
| Posted: Sun, Aug 27 2017, 7:56 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| The library is open 4 hours all weekend. That's ridiculous. |
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| anon-pp98 |
| Posted: Sun, Aug 27 2017, 12:41 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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This is bad
| anon-711n wrote: | This chart linked here from the Foundation is a little hard to follow but may show some of the picture:
http://www.cranburylibraryfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/funds-chart.jpg
The library has collected $1,496,523 in pledges
They have spent $160,738 already to an architect
They have $1,806,759 in cash on hand
The total cash and architect spending totals $1,967,497
That is almost $500,000 over the amount collected in pledges
There were probably other expenses during the years of the Foundation
Is this difference the $600,000 in money already taken from the operating budget?
There is also a line stating $419,702 as Library Funds Reserved for construction of a new library
Is this another more money taken from the budget, reducing services to the people, totally over $1 Million to service a new library.
The way this is looking, the library has collected in pledges less than half the funds necessary for a new library which is greater than $3 Million
A full and open disclosure of the funding would be welcome. |
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| anon-711n |
| Posted: Fri, Aug 25 2017, 3:28 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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This chart linked here from the Foundation is a little hard to follow but may show some of the picture:
http://www.cranburylibraryfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/funds-chart.jpg
The library has collected $1,496,523 in pledges
They have spent $160,738 already to an architect
They have $1,806,759 in cash on hand
The total cash and architect spending totals $1,967,497
That is almost $500,000 over the amount collected in pledges
There were probably other expenses during the years of the Foundation
Is this difference the $600,000 in money already taken from the operating budget?
There is also a line stating $419,702 as Library Funds Reserved for construction of a new library
Is this another more money taken from the budget, reducing services to the people, totally over $1 Million to service a new library.
The way this is looking, the library has collected in pledges less than half the funds necessary for a new library which is greater than $3 Million
A full and open disclosure of the funding would be welcome. |
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| Do we need new libra-8451 |
| Posted: Thu, Aug 24 2017, 11:29 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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[quote="anon-0341"] | anon-0341 wrote: | | anon-s41n wrote: | | If the library has $2.2M cash in hand, the bids were a little over $3M, adding a 5% contingency, adding $91,000 for the parking lot overage, doesn't that mean the library has over $1M left to raise? |
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I am new to following this story. From reading here the library has $600,000 of tax money they kept and did not spend on keeping the library open on sundays and evenings. The math is then $2,200,000 less $600,000 tax money which is $1,600,000 raised by the library. The library says they have raised $2,600,000. Who is lying and who is telling the truth? The library board or the posters on here?
What is wrong with the current library? I go there I take out books my children go there after school and play games on the computers it seems to work the way it is. |
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| anon-0341 |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 6:43 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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[quote="anon-0341"] | anon-s41n wrote: | | If the library has $2.2M cash in hand, the bids were a little over $3M, adding a 5% contingency, adding $91,000 for the parking lot overage, doesn't that mean the library has over $1M left to raise? |
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| anon-0341 |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 6:40 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| anon-s41n wrote: | | If the library has $2.2M cash in hand, the bids were a little over $3M, adding a 5% contingency, adding $91,000 for the parking lot overage, doesn't that mean the library has over $1M left to raise? |
Don't let some small details get in the way of the desperately needed library. We cannot survive without more empty buildings to be funded by the tax payers. Not sure how any of us seniors can stay and pay taxes for more wants than needs. If this is so necessary and it affects all townspeople why not put it up for a vote like a true democracy and not like a Cuban dictatorship? |
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| anon-0341 |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 6:05 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| anon-s41n wrote: | | If the library has $2.2M cash in hand, the bids were a little over $3M, adding a 5% contingency, adding $91,000 for the parking lot overage, doesn't that mean the library has over $1M left to raise? |
Don't let some small details get in the way of the desperately needed library. We cannot survive without more empty buildings to be funded by the tax payers. Not sure how any of us seniors can stay and pay taxes for more wants than needs. If this is so necessary and it affects all townspeople why not put it up for a vote like a true democracy and not like a Cuban dictatorship? |
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| anon-s41n |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 2:45 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| If the library has $2.2M cash in hand, the bids were a little over $3M, adding a 5% contingency, adding $91,000 for the parking lot overage, doesn't that mean the library has over $1M left to raise? |
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| anon-54r5 |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 12:55 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| Are the lies real?-824n wrote: | | Library lies-6pq8 wrote: | | I was told the library only has $2.2 million in cash and keeps claiming higher numbers that are only pledges they are misleading us the town will have to put in over $500,000 more of tax money money for the new library why do they keep misleading and lying to us claiming they have $2.8 million how can they ask the taxpayers to believe when the residents do not believe in their cause library lies |
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The library in their cash in hand number. I understand this does not include the TC contribution for the parking lot. Thus, 2.2 plus 475K equals the 2.6m. |
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| Are the lies real?-824n |
| Posted: Tue, Aug 22 2017, 11:45 am EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| Library lies-6pq8 wrote: | | I was told the library only has $2.2 million in cash and keeps claiming higher numbers that are only pledges they are misleading us the town will have to put in over $500,000 more of tax money money for the new library why do they keep misleading and lying to us claiming they have $2.8 million how can they ask the taxpayers to believe when the residents do not believe in their cause library lies |
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| anon-0341 |
| Posted: Sun, Aug 20 2017, 11:03 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Library |
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| anon-0341 wrote: | | anon-0341 wrote: | | anon-s6p5 wrote: | | anon-q2q6 wrote: | | The library needs at least $12 million to complete the project. |
So I went to the meeting and could not believe what I heard.
- the room was standing room only.
All the people who disapprove know it's fruitless to show up and be rediculed by these gangsters.
-There was not one person who could speak that opposed the library. They were told to leave the premesis. (Just like every other time the library comes to the TC). We get pages here opposing the library and no one showing up because people actually have jobs and lives of their own.
- a number of supporters did speak their typical lies.
- They need around 5 million more to build the library based on the current bid and requirements put in place by the TC- cash in hand, 5% contingency, etc...
- The library did ask illicit money.
- Supporters did demand money. They asked for the town to put in additional funds and to waive both the cash in hand and the contingency requirements. They seemed upset that the TC was not doing more. More money is needed everyday for this want by a few and need for nobody.
- The Mayor and Ms. Goetz were most vocal and based on their comments did not seem inclined to be agreeable to any of the requests.
- It seemed to me that the library will need to close the gap on their own. It also seemed to me that they seemed very concerned about being able to close the gap. I can't blame them. No honest man can pay for this.
So despite all the hemming and hawing about opposition, notice of over a few weeks about the meeting, and ample time for those opposed to show up, and all the pages here it seems the story is the same. The people opposed just don't care as much about being opposed as those who are in favor. And the TC is going to require the library to find the money to proceed. |
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