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[quote="anon; Oqs8-0076"]Joe you are 100% correct. For us old timers we clearly remember how the Party Bosses really did a job on Tom Panconi because he refused to do things their way, which in the end was not in the best interest of the community as a whole. Anyone who thinks that the candidates are free to think out of the box and work independently is mistaken. We may have a chance with the two new candidates as they seem to be fair minded and without the ring leader Glenn putting pressure on them they may be able to bring things along to making well thought out decisions that are in the best interest of Cranbury.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-84o9</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jun 30 2019, 10:32 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">We have one party boss in Cranbury <br />Laura Zurfluh the leader of indivisible Cranbury and the Democratic Party leader in Cranbury <br /> <br />A vote for Barbara Rogers and Eman El-Badaw is a vote for Laura’s agenda <br /> <br />Indivisible taking over Cranbury <br /> <br />2019 Indivisible Candiates <br />Barbara Rogers and Eman El-Badawi <br /> <br />2018 Indivisible Candidate <br />Mike Ferrante <br /> <br />2017 Indivisible Candidate <br />Matt Scott <br /> <br />Cranbury Indivisible <br />Laura Zurfluh - Leader <br />Holly Johnson <br />Jessica Ware <br />Jessica Irons <br />Mike Ferrante <br />Deanna Ferrante <br />Matt Scott <br />Heather Keltz Scott <br />Paul Mullen <br />Barbara Rogers <br />Eman El-Badawi <br />Michelle Phillips Greene <br />MariCris McDowell <br />David Nissan <br />Dan harshberger</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-41po</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jun 16 2019, 6:42 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">There is much more to community feel than the stores downtown. Strawberry Festival, Health and Wellness Fair, Cranbury day, the many Historical Society events each year from Wassail to house tour to George Washington, you have the Rec programs and porchfest. <br /> <br />All you need to do is be even slightly engaged and you can find tons of things to do that bring out a sense of community.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-017p</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun, Jun 16 2019, 6:18 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Community feel? Main Street often feels like part of a ghost town. Businesses go under and no new stores that attract foot traffic open up. <br />Thank goodness for Teddy's, Gil & Berts, Cranbury pizza, and Molto Bene.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0n35</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 15 2019, 5:50 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Would agree four seasons, empty nesters, and childless families probably put the community and tax situation along with home values as a priority above the school. However, The tax situation, small community feel and values are heavily dependent on the school. So it is a symbiotic relationship. It all falls apart with more housing, doing things that take away from the community feel and increasing taxes for no reason.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-q2q6</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jun 14 2019, 10:48 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-5p0n wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-0n35 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Not the OP. But, I can say we moved here for the smaller town ie limited housing, K-8 school, Princeton and lower taxes that allowed us to pay for a higher cost home than we could afford in other places. When we looked in Robbinsville, Monroe, Plainsboro and South Brunswick (could not afford WW) we saw larger homes for less money, but the monthly payment would have been the same due to higher taxes. We loved the town. If we add more housing, lose Princeton, build another school then our taxes will go up and we’ll have to move. I know others in the same spot as us. <br /> <br />I would be interested in why others moved here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The vast majority of people move here for the schools, including the PHS arrangement. If they started in the city, they choose the suburbs for the better cost of living. They choose Cranbury specifically among the suburbs for the schools. <br /> <br />People primarily motivated by fleeing taxes as their first priority don't move to NJ period. There are far better states to move to if you want less taxes, less traffic, etc. <br /> <br />The recent TC's of the last decade have done a good job keeping our taxes low relative to our neighbors. And it would be a shame to see that change. But low taxes are at best a peripheral reason to move to Cranbury. It's the schools, the schools, the schools.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The schools are key, but there is also the sense of community and lower taxes that put Cranbury well above other towns that also have really good schools. If the Township Committee shifts gears to encourage residential development on the other side of Rt. 130, we lose all of those advantages. That’s what is so concerning about the Indivisible Democrat Candidates.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-5p0n</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jun 14 2019, 9:47 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-0n35 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Not the OP. But, I can say we moved here for the smaller town ie limited housing, K-8 school, Princeton and lower taxes that allowed us to pay for a higher cost home than we could afford in other places. When we looked in Robbinsville, Monroe, Plainsboro and South Brunswick (could not afford WW) we saw larger homes for less money, but the monthly payment would have been the same due to higher taxes. We loved the town. If we add more housing, lose Princeton, build another school then our taxes will go up and we’ll have to move. I know others in the same spot as us. <br /> <br />I would be interested in why others moved here.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The vast majority of people move here for the schools, including the PHS arrangement. If they started in the city, they choose the suburbs for the better cost of living. They choose Cranbury specifically among the suburbs for the schools. <br /> <br />People primarily motivated by fleeing taxes as their first priority don't move to NJ period. There are far better states to move to if you want less taxes, less traffic, etc. <br /> <br />The recent TC's of the last decade have done a good job keeping our taxes low relative to our neighbors. And it would be a shame to see that change. But low taxes are at best a peripheral reason to move to Cranbury. It's the schools, the schools, the schools.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-0n35</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri, Jun 14 2019, 5:09 am EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Not the OP. But, I can say we moved here for the smaller town ie limited housing, K-8 school, Princeton and lower taxes that allowed us to pay for a higher cost home than we could afford in other places. When we looked in Robbinsville, Monroe, Plainsboro and South Brunswick (could not afford WW) we saw larger homes for less money, but the monthly payment would have been the same due to higher taxes. We loved the town. If we add more housing, lose Princeton, build another school then our taxes will go up and we’ll have to move. I know others in the same spot as us. <br /> <br />I would be interested in why others moved here.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4os8</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu, Jun 13 2019, 7:56 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-q2r7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">It wouldn’t surprise me. These people crack me up as they move down here from the New York area to flee high taxes, corruption, traffic, etc. Meanwhile they continue to vote along the same party lines that caused them to migrate here in the first place.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />LOL. No one moves to Cranbury for any of those reasons.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-q2r7</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 12 2019, 8:31 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">It wouldn’t surprise me. These people crack me up as they move down here from the New York area to flee high taxes, corruption, traffic, etc. Meanwhile they continue to vote along the same party lines that caused them to migrate here in the first place.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Guest 12745-qor3</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed, Jun 12 2019, 1:50 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I would really like to know, in writing, what the Democrat and republican candidates platforms are well in advance inoffensive November. I’ve heard a lot of rumors about the Indivisible Democrats wanting to re-zone east of route 130 to permit more housing and less warehouses. I’ve heard that they wish to try to push through the library without a referendum. However, I don’t know if this is true. Both have dire consequences on our taxes, and we should get an honest reading from all candidates what they want for Cranbury’s future.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-406s</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 8:05 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">+1. When the zone was created Jay was in High School, Dan was in high school and Glenn was not even thinking of living in Cranbury. But thankfully they were smart enough to continue the plan. Cranbury’s truck traffic is actually a small contributor to the 130 traffic. Our residents who are complaining think Cranbury exists in isolation and see only a means to be contrary to Dan, Glenn and Jay. They don’t care about destroying the town so long as they go against Dan, Glenn and Jay. It is funny that those three are in the heads of Indivisible at every moment in time.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-4os8</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 7:25 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-80qs wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I want more trucks. Give me more trucks. Clog up 130. Downtown businesses go extinct. Good job Glenn, Dan, Jay</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Do you think the trucks go away regardless of what Cranbury does? South Brunswick, East Windsor, Robbinsville, etc. all have substantially expanded warehouse and commercial development that contributes to traffic on 130 through Cranbury. But we get no tax benefits from those. If Cranbury doesn't use the corridor next to the Turnpike for commercial development, we would still get all the downside and none of the upside. An upside responsible for about half our tax base. <br /> <br />Also, you don't seem very educated on the history of the Township's decisions. None of the people you listed were on the Planning Board or Township Committee when most of the zoning that created all the warehouses was created. And it's illegal for either entity to deny landlords the right to develop their properties in line with the zoning. Zoning that was put in place, and only minority tweaked since, decades ago.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-7666</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 7:12 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Btw with Penske being housing and a cranbury station being housing you add 600 apartments which is what is being put forth. <br /> <br />By the numbers: <br /> <br />600 apartments- 1,200 cars on the road <br /> <br />Affordable units- I believe it is 1 in 4 or 5. So you add 150 to 120 <br />Ore affordable units. <br /> <br />Children - 720 apartments with 1.5 kids each 1,080 new students. More than double our current student population. <br /> <br />Taxes- around 15k to educate each child 16.2 million annually in added cost <br /> <br />This looks good to Matt, Mike, Barbara and Eman along with Paul Mullen and the rest of Indivisible. <br /> <br />The truck traffic will be much less than cars and generate money. Those are the facts.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-7666</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 7:00 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Spell check. Clearly parallel universe.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-7666</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 6:44 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>anon-80qs wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I want more trucks. Give me more trucks. Clog up 130. Downtown businesses go extinct. Good job Glenn, Dan, Jay</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />The TC has prioritized Farmland preservation, warehouse and lastly minimal Housing in that order. <br /> <br />The Dem candidates as you eloquently state prioritize housing and anything but warehouses. <br /> <br />The housing devalues our homes, increase our taxes, ceases the Princeton relationship. But achieves the goal of higher taxes. <br /> <br />I feel like I am in a parallel university. I have never seen people run in Cranbury on higher taxes and more housing. <br /> <br />The only thing you got right is Good job Dan, Glenn and Jay.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>anon-80qs</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat, Jun 8 2019, 6:41 pm EDT<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: The Myth of Cranbury Party Bosses</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">100 more each day. Clog the highways. Nobody will come to Cranbury. Great plan. Just super.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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