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[quote="Kirstie Venanzi"]The library usage figure does indeed include computer usage when one is actually in the library because libraries today are not just books, but all forms of information. If you have any questions about how the statistics are derived, please visit our library and ask Ms. Mullen. I must state here [b]emphatically[/b] that this idea of the PNC purchase is not being pushed by the library or the board of trustees. As part of the board, I can say that we are trying very hard to work on our library as it is and make it the best library possible. However, libraries have a hard time bragging when things go well and also have a hard time complaining when things do not go as well. The truth is that the library is crowded. Maybe it is not crowded at every second of the day, but we do not have room for our current collection of books and may weed books (cull the collection) if they have not circulated in 2 years. Most libraries do not consider doing this weeding until after a book has not circulated in five year. This is just one example. My only aim here is to get the facts out there so that we can give this issue intelligent consideration. Would all responders please have the courtesy to sign with a name? Thank you.[/quote]
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Guest
Posted: Thu, May 15 2008, 8:56 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
I like the services provided by our library. I also like the current location better than on the Main St. The big parking area in the current location is a big plus for kids to visit the library (away from passing traffic).
Library is an essential service for the community. I believe the library in the future will allow people to access the resources in the library from their homes via the Internet. I can access ValueLine, download audio books/PBS videos/classic movies, and reserve books from my home already. It is very convenient and saves gas.
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 6:05 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
"The majority of South Plainfield voters rejected a proposal to build a new library during a week-long referendum to gauge public support for the $4.5 million project."
How can we possibly even consider building a NEW additonal Library without knowing the costs?
How is it that the South Plainfield taxpayers could actual vote on a proposal with costs attached - and Cranbury can't!
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 5:59 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
"Cranbury Public library usage is up 55 percent over the past nine years. Nationally, library use is up 28 percent, as reported by a recent study by the ALA. "
According to Kristies post above, it's great that our library is currently being used and patronage is up. This shows me that the Library board and staff our doing a wonderful job.
However, the percentages may not add to the argument of the need for the large outlay of money.
For instance, does the electronic eye count the students as well as the visitors from outside the school? Was the number of visitors 10 people a day 16 people a day? OR is it 100 people a dayand now is 155 people a day?
The national library percentages is an average of small to large libraries across the nation. Another words, the NYC library and Cranbury's library numbers are considered equally.
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 5:43 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
I keep hearing from various people that Cranbury has the money, but nobody knows who or what special interest group has it.
I hope someone knows the answers:
1. how can our township have the money when we have a $23 million debt that was shown in our 2008 budget statement?
2. Does the Township think they have the money by raising our taxes - that's how it's figured we have the money.
3. Does the township have the money by getting another loan, thus adding to our overall debt?
4. Does the library have the money?
5. Does the nonprofit group,Friends of the Cranbury library, have the money.
6. Is there a private investor?
Perhaps this is a rumor. I hope someone can shed the light.
traveler
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 4:16 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Will there be a keynote speaker representing the library relative to "Library Facts"? In other words, how will that topic be presented?
Kirstie Venanzi
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 4:13 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
The 55% is only patrons coming through the door (counted by an electronic eye). Website hits are a separate statistic that is reported in the Technology report. I summarized the hits/year below.
CPL Website Hits per year
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
71,574 104,280 115,088 87,554 190,481
Marilynn G. Mullen
Director, Cranbury Public Library
23 North Main St.
Cranbury, NJ 08512
609-655-0555
mullen@CranburyPublicLibrary.org
James
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 2:46 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Ms. Venanzi,
Let me clarify, I was wondering if the 55% usage included people accessing the Cranbury library web page. Certainly, I would assume it would count people entering the library.
If I were to guess a random sampling was taken, hits on the webpage and a guess that an average patron checks out x number of books. Divide the average by individual by total number of loans made last year and you have your 55%. As I said it doesn't matter because that should not be a factor in the purchase equation given our town's size. Just curious...
I'll ask Ms. Mullen the next time I see her.
Thanks.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 2:34 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
If "the idea of the PNC purchase is not being pushed by the library or the board of trustees", then why have on the library blog the "May 19th Township Committee Meeting and Library Facts"?
Why would the library need to have facts for the meeting if it does not intend to occupy the PNC building?
Your argument does not make sense.
Kirstie Venanzi
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 2:20 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
The library usage figure does indeed include computer usage when one is actually in the library because libraries today are not just books, but all forms of information. If you have any questions about how the statistics are derived, please visit our library and ask Ms. Mullen.
I must state here
emphatically
that this idea of the PNC purchase is not being pushed by the library or the board of trustees. As part of the board, I can say that we are trying very hard to work on our library as it is and make it the best library possible. However, libraries have a hard time bragging when things go well and also have a hard time complaining when things do not go as well. The truth is that the library is crowded. Maybe it is not crowded at every second of the day, but we do not have room for our current collection of books and may weed books (cull the collection) if they have not circulated in 2 years. Most libraries do not consider doing this weeding until after a book has not circulated in five year. This is just one example.
My only aim here is to get the facts out there so that we can give this issue intelligent consideration.
Would all responders please have the courtesy to sign with a name?
Thank you.
Cranbury Conservative
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 1:53 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
A few items to note....
First I was just in the library and other then a few children in the library it was empty. Not that this is an in-depth study of usage, it’s just a small sample. Possibly others could note the same on the board. This may add credence to the internet usage driving the library numbers and not actual in the door visits.
Second the library has a blog and on it they have "May 19th Township Committee Meeting and Library Facts” This makes it very obvious the library is pushing to use the PNC Bank Property. As I have stated else where on this board this idea has no plan behind it, no fiscal responsibility and goes against the 2007 recreation plan which targets property adjacent to the school for such a purpose as a library and public parking.
I do not understand the urgency to spend the taxpayers of Cranbury's money on wants and not needs?
The library blog can be found at:
http://cranburypl.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/may-19th-township-committee-meeting-and-library-facts/
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 12:56 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
"1) In terms of usage being up 55% how is that derived? Does it include the internet usage which would mean that the vistor count is not actually that high. Not that it really matters because we don't know the starting point and a 55% increase with the town still means that there is room in the existing location. The statistic is good though as it shows that people are using a valuable resource. "
Good point. Many people visiting the library are there to use the PCs for Internet access.
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 12:29 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Kirstie Venanzi wrote:
Myth: Libraries are used less today.
Myth:
Public libraries would not draw more people into town.
FACT:
The Project for Public Spaces, Library of Congress, Urban Libraries Council and many other studie state that public libraries boost local retail as they bring residents and visitors into the town location.
Kirstie S. Venanzi, MLIS
Resident, Librarian, and Member
Library Board of Trustees
Cranbury
But we already have a perfectly good library in town less than a 1 minute walk from Main Street. I would be surprised if the study you cite says that simply building a bigger library in a slightly higher profile spot would generate substantial new business, but if it does I would like to see it. Since the total cost and acquisition, renovation and operation is likely to be several million dollars (at least) of taxpayer money, tax payers should be shown evidence that the revenue from businesses that the Township will collect to offset future taxes will more than offset this expense.
James
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 12:08 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Kirstie Venanzi wrote:
Myth: Libraries are used less today.
FACT:
Cranbury Public library usage is up 55 percent over the past nine years. Nationally, library use is up 28 percent, as reported by a recent study by the ALA. People are taking out books in records numbers, accessing databases, borrowing music, film and more from the library.
Myth:
Public libraries would not draw more people into town.
FACT:
The Project for Public Spaces, Library of Congress, Urban Libraries Council and many other studie state that public libraries boost local retail as they bring residents and visitors into the town location.
We may all have our opinions about the PNC purchase, but please let us not disparage libraries. They are valuable to our community.
Kirstie S. Venanzi, MLIS
Resident, Librarian, and Member
Library Board of Trustees
Cranbury
Ms. Venanzi,
Thank you for the information. i hope that everyone agrees that the library is useful and truly important to a town. The question is not whether the library is an asset which it truly is. It is whether the town should spend the money it does not have today in a rush to acquire a property that brings with it a sever financial obligation.
I am curious about the information presented in your post.
1) In terms of usage being up 55% how is that derived? Does it include the internet usage which would mean that the vistor count is not actually that high. Not that it really matters because we don't know the starting point and a 55% increase with the town still means that there is room in the existing location. The statistic is good though as it shows that people are using a valuable resource.
2) I absolutely agree that libraries add value to a town. Where no libraries exist today they will definitely drive new customers into a down town. However, that is the flaw in citing those studies. It is only valid in the event that the town unlike Cranbury has no existing library. Certainly, if one were to have a library and add an additional one there would be no increase in usage. The same holds true, here. There will be no increase in usage because the building changes. Those people needing a resource will come into town to visit a new library just as they would to visit the current one.
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 12:06 pm EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
If I want to borrow DVDs, I go to the Plainsboro library. In Cranbury, I pay $1 per DVD; in Plainsboro, I pay $0 for 3 DVDs per checkout.
I doubt that the Cranbury library (regardless of how good it can be on the PNC site) will be able to compete with the $15+ million new Plainsboro library.
The Cranbury library has an edge because it is so easily accessible by our school kids. Once a new school library takes its place, the "new PNC Cranbury Library" will have no edge at all.
Guest
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 11:54 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Kirstie Venanzi wrote:
Myth: Libraries are used less today.
FACT:
Cranbury Public library usage is up 55 percent over the past nine years. Nationally, library use is up 28 percent, as reported by a recent study by the ALA. People are taking out books in records numbers, accessing databases, borrowing music, film and more from the library.
...
I bet the "library use" includes digital media access such as video and audio downloads.
If the Cranbury library is not part of the School, I bet the usage of the Cranbury library will decrease dramatically.
Kirstie Venanzi
Posted: Wed, May 14 2008, 11:39 am EDT
Post subject: Re: Voters turn page on library proposal
Myth: Libraries are used less today.
FACT:
Cranbury Public library usage is up 55 percent over the past nine years. Nationally, library use is up 28 percent, as reported by a recent study by the ALA. People are taking out books in records numbers, accessing databases, borrowing music, film and more from the library.
Myth:
Public libraries would not draw more people into town.
FACT:
The Project for Public Spaces, Library of Congress, Urban Libraries Council and many other studie state that public libraries boost local retail as they bring residents and visitors into the town location.
We may all have our opinions about the PNC purchase, but please let us not disparage libraries. They are valuable to our community.
Kirstie S. Venanzi, MLIS
Resident, Librarian, and Member
Library Board of Trustees
Cranbury