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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 9:28 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

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Why stop with Plainsboro assisting with traffic.....Just merge the two departments and be finished with it.


I think there is a lot of value in having our own department.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 9:57 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

This is off topic, I think Cranbury probably has the highest ratio of police/resident in this country.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 10:42 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

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This is off topic, I think Cranbury probably has the highest ratio of police/resident in this country.


Interesting statement, but not entirely accurate, a quick google search revealed a book "Exploring Criminal Justice" which claims the average is 2.4 per 1,000 residents ranging from San Francisco with 1.6 officers per 1,000 to Washington DC with 6.6 per 1,000 residents. Cranbury has about 5 per 1,000. 17 officers, 3,400 residents. Another article from Arizona says.


Tempe is the only southeast Valley city with a police-to-resident ratio greater than the average city of its size in the Mountain West.

Chandler, Mesa, Gilbert and Phoenix all are below the average.

Compare our ratios to those in cities of similar size around the nation, and it would seem that southeast Valley police departments are woefully understaffed.
Some officials in Mesa and Gilbert have raised the alarm about their lagging ratios. Mesa believes its ratio of 1.8 officers per thousand residents should be closer to 2.4; Gilbert says its 1.1 ratio should be closer to 1.4.

But how much weight should we put on these measurements?

Not much, according to the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

The problem with the ratio is that it assumes all communities are alike and that their public-safety needs are all the same. The association says the ratio should never be used to make staffing decisions because it doesn't take into account more important factors, such as a city's crime rate, policing methods and demographics.

If communities want to accurately assess the size of their police force, a much more detailed review is in order.

Witness the 75-page report Glendale completed this year to determine the appropriate size of its police force. The staffing study discussed the services sworn officers are expected to provide and it set response-time goals. It also used crime rates and the way patrolmen spend their shifts to extrapolate the department's ideal size.

This type of analysis could be invaluable for southeast Valley departments, especially if done with public input. It would provide a set of public-safety expectations that are backed with data.

Glendale's study concluded the department was short about 50 officers and 65 civilian employees to most effectively provide services. That may seem a daunting figure, given the economy.

But that's precisely why such assessments should be done now, while most cities are struggling to maintain the current size of their police departments.

They can lead to more creative ways of providing service and maximizing officers' time, making them more effective without necessarily putting more boots on the ground.

And if more boots are needed, they would provide data-driven arguments for hiring them once the economy improves
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 11:24 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

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This is off topic, I think Cranbury probably has the highest ratio of police/resident in this country.


We have to also factor in that the daytime population of the town more than doubles during the day with all the warehouses and all the traffic travelling through town.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 11:42 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

This is off topic and shows no understanding other than a look at the numbers. We have a lot of residents that seem to like to complain, but then not show up at meetings. The Chief and officers made a presentation to the public a few months back. Very few residents actually attended.

You have a number of state mandates for the force that require 3 officers to be mainly administrative- Chief, Capt and Lt. Then you have 14 officers left to cover all the shifts and also vacations. When you factor in 2-3 officers on duty at a time depending on shift, plus the coverage on 130, the warehouses and patrol. Our department is actually the optimal size. Any less and we're paying a lot more for overtime and any more we're paying more benefits and salary. So if you want to reduce staff then you can't complain about speeding because there will be minimal coverage.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 12:24 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

Let's assume 7 for the day and the other 7 for the nigh. We still have 7 working day and night. Ok, let's say 1 on vacation on average every day, that left 6 plus 3 administrative staff (a total of 9 during daytime) to work on a small area like Cranbury?

BTW, the 3 administrative staff also can cover the vacation and handle extra demand that may arise.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 1:16 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

And then you have days off to consider. If instead of complaining you had attended the Chiefs talk you would have heard the scheduling and shifts.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 1:46 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

The township committee is looking into traffic issues in town. Dave Stout and myself have joined a traffic committee. There will be a public hearing sometime in the near future to get feedback from residents. This post is on one of the issues we had is speeding on Main St. Since police cannot patrol Main St. 7x24, we are thinking some ideas to control speed. One potentially idea is speed bumps or speed humps on Main St. I know that speed bumps can be noisy for the houses near the bump but does anyone have thoughts on the newer style speed humps or speed tables similar to what is in Princeton?

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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 6:11 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

Win - I am happy to hear this is in front of the township. I'm sure that many folks would show up for a meeting (at least I would), so please keep us posted on the date/time.

Speed humps are used in a number of towns, including Princeton and even in Prague! They aren't as tall and are wider so they don't bottom out a car if it is going too fast. However, it will slow you down! I don't have any stats on their success, but I know that residents have been very happy with the control they provide.

As a matter of fact, in Prague, they are in most residential neighborhoods. I was thrilled to seem them there & successful.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 6:55 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

Speed humps would not work on Main St. We have too many trucks coming down which would not be slowed down. We have too many drivers that would ignore them causing issues, swerve around them so they are driving partially in traffic spaces or they would simply speed up between them. My brother in law is a police officer and he hates them because they do little and cause more problems for Main roadways. As an officer responding he'll avoid streets where the humps are because he can't respond as fast and it also slows down emergency responders. They don't distinguish whether you're a responder or simply a speeder. His town put them in and is now removing them on several streets at a large expense because of a traffic engineer who was looking for revenue. Residential use for developments or side streets they work well to slow down cars. Typically, these are streets with little radar enforcement, less frequent EMS response, and little truck traffic.

Focused traffic patrols, radar signs, strict enforcement (i.e. prohibition of warnings), slow down in our town signs, all work better.

Here are some sites showing plus and negatives:

http://www.titusville.com/Page.asp?NavID=200

http://www.co.alameda.ca.us/pwa/programs_services_traffic_calming_level_3_speed_hump.shtml

http://www.panamacity-fl.gov/pdf/Speed_Hump_Policies_and_Procedures_Package.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 7:40 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

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Let's assume 7 for the day and the other 7 for the nigh. We still have 7 working day and night. Ok, let's say 1 on vacation on average every day, that left 6 plus 3 administrative staff (a total of 9 during daytime) to work on a small area like Cranbury?

BTW, the 3 administrative staff also can cover the vacation and handle extra demand that may arise.


Your making a lot of assumptions that dont add up. Assume your "7 working day and 7 working night plus 1 on vacation and 3 administration." Do you think that each police officer should work 12 hours a day 365 days a year?Not including vacation time that would mean officers would be working 4,380. hours a year or 84 hours a week. Even if officers worked 3 8 hour shifts a day it would be almost 2,920 hours a year.Since over 40 hours a week must be paid at 1.5 an hour the cost would be astronomical.

Unfortunatelly administrative staff cannot cover road assignments they have many essential functions which Chief Kahler outlined in detail at the meeting.

We also need to maintain a detective burea which is very important. I have been told that in addition to investigations that occur such as burglaries(remember last summer) our detectives are involved in many serious investigations that occur in the business district that most residents never know about. Recently I remember reading that Cranbury Detectives were instrumental in catching a bank robbery suspect and someone who had stolen thousands of drugs from a local company.

I have spoken to many of our officers and I would suggest that you take the time to approach one of the officers and ask them or ask Chief Kahler about any concerns that you have. I believe that most of the time we only have two or three officers available to patrol and answer calls. I have also been told that when there is an extra officer working they are assigned to strictly enforce traffic laws in the village. I think thats what the white car is for.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 23 2009, 9:53 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

I don't know much about the pros and cons of speed bumps on Main St.

I do like the idea of putting signs in the crosswalks in the middle of the street reminding drivers to "stop" for pedestrians because they have the right of way. I think these signs slow down traffic.

I also like the idea of looking into a reciprocal arrangement with Plainsboro for traffic patrol. This could beef up traffic patrol without adding expense. I respect the Cranbury PD and I would like to see them have more resources to focus on crime prevention.

If they don't do this already, I would like to see them consider having a Cranbury Officer parked next to the Methodist Church all day every day during school hours. I think it sends the dual message "don't mess with our kids" and "slow down in our town".
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 24 2009, 7:28 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

Jersey Dad wrote:
I also like the idea of looking into a reciprocal arrangement with Plainsboro for traffic patrol. This could beef up traffic patrol without adding expense. I respect the Cranbury PD and I would like to see them have more resources to focus on crime prevention.

If they don't do this already, I would like to see them consider having a Cranbury Officer parked next to the Methodist Church all day every day during school hours. I think it sends the dual message "don't mess with our kids" and "slow down in our town".


Plainsboro does not have the resources to provide supplemental traffic patrols to Cranbury anymore than Cranbury does not have the resources to provide supplemental traffic patrols to Plainsboro .This would require additional manpower. Even with ticket revenues this would not offset the cost. Plainsboro tax payers are not going to donate officers to Cranbury just like Cranbury taxpayers are not going to donate officers to Plainsboro.

Having an officer sit in front of the Methodist Church all day just isnt practical. It would require either additional manpower or it would rob other areas of the township of traffic enforcement or patrol both of which are essential.

I think our force does a pretty good job enforcing traffic laws in the village. I see them stopping cars all day. Especially that white car.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 24 2009, 8:23 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

If Cranbury asked Plainsboro to do that they'd turn away our court relationship. Court costs are expensive and in Cranbury we were basically breaking even if not losing money. Plus, we would be brining people in off the turnpike, 130 and elsewhere near the school. People were concerned that the court may be in session as the same time as a school function or if kids were doing reports or studying at the library.

Whenever it was analayzed the court costs came back to it being more effective in Plainsboro. However, they are not making any real money off us, certainly not enough to encourage them to patrol into Cranbury.

In terms of the church idea. I would think the times in the morning and afternoon that the police are there would be sufficient. The kids are supposed to be in class during the day and if they aren't there is a bigger problem. I'd rather have the traffic cruiser at different parts of town as opposed to having it sit in one spot all day.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 24 2009, 9:11 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

crantaxpayer wrote:
Jersey Dad wrote:
I also like the idea of looking into a reciprocal arrangement with Plainsboro for traffic patrol. This could beef up traffic patrol without adding expense.


Plainsboro does not have the resources to provide supplemental traffic patrols to Cranbury. Even with ticket revenues this would not offset the cost.


Guest- Both of us have opinions based on assumptions. The only way to know is to ask. If Plainsboro sees this as an incremental revenue opportunity, it is a win-win. If not, they won't do it.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 24 2009, 9:27 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speeding...now here's an idea Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
If Cranbury asked Plainsboro to do that they'd turn away our court relationship.


This assumption seems to be quite a stretch.

Guest wrote:
Whenever it was analayzed the court costs came back to it being more effective in Plainsboro.


Exactly. The incremental costs of adding Cranbury's cases to the Plainsboro Court is more efficient and quite probably a profit center for Plainsboro. Otherwise, why would they agree to this arrangment?

It also seems possible that the incremental cost of writing a few traffic tickets in Cranbury may also provide an additional profit center for Plainsboro. If so, they may be interested. If not, they won't. The only way to know is to ask them.
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