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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 10:30 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | This has to be illegal - no public notice? No notice to Mr. Diamond that his land is being taken? What is going on here? |
I'm sure Mr. Diamond's land has an easement/right of way in the front that gives the county access for a road. They don't have to notify him-- he technically already gave them permission to use that land when he purchased the property and agreed to the easement/right of way.
Think of it like when you go to work one day and the trees in front of your house look gorgeous and you come home and the utility company has hacked them to pieces to clear them from their power lines. The power company has a right of way (not sure of the technical term) to maintain it's power lines in front of my house and yeah I come home and I'm pissed and upset and miss my beautiful trees, but the fact of the matter is the power company did not have to notify me or ask me or anything. I gave them the right to access my property and "maintain their lines" when I bought my property. Sucks when it happens, and I feel for Mr. Diamond, but it is not illegal.
As for the public notice - remember these plans were discussed and approved YEARS ago, probably even before Mr. Diamond bought the house (I don't think they've lived there that long). And yes, sometimes public notices are made in obscure places (little columns in newspapers) and that should maybe be changed. But the time to ask the question was when you see the easement/right of way in front of the property when you buy and THEN you should ask questions . |
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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 10:52 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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While they may have been agreed upon years ago, the TC and County have an obligation to communicate when work starts. It is done on every other project including the pipeline on the turnpike. I can't see the excuse not to do it now.
Plus, according to Mr. Cook's web blog that was posted here showed it was a recent agreement on the widening. I take that web blog as more factual than any post here knowing the source. |
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RobDiamond
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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 11:11 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest 2 wrote: | Guest wrote: | This has to be illegal - no public notice? No notice to Mr. Diamond that his land is being taken? What is going on here? |
I'm sure Mr. Diamond's land has an easement/right of way in the front that gives the county access for a road. They don't have to notify him-- he technically already gave them permission to use that land when he purchased the property and agreed to the easement/right of way.
Think of it like when you go to work one day and the trees in front of your house look gorgeous and you come home and the utility company has hacked them to pieces to clear them from their power lines. The power company has a right of way (not sure of the technical term) to maintain it's power lines in front of my house and yeah I come home and I'm pissed and upset and miss my beautiful trees, but the fact of the matter is the power company did not have to notify me or ask me or anything. I gave them the right to access my property and "maintain their lines" when I bought my property. Sucks when it happens, and I feel for Mr. Diamond, but it is not illegal.
As for the public notice - remember these plans were discussed and approved YEARS ago, probably even before Mr. Diamond bought the house (I don't think they've lived there that long). And yes, sometimes public notices are made in obscure places (little columns in newspapers) and that should maybe be changed. But the time to ask the question was when you see the easement/right of way in front of the property when you buy and THEN you should ask questions . |
I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. So you can get your facts straight, I'd be happy to meet with you in person and share the facts with you. In the meantime, let me clear some things up.
There is NO easement or right of way for the county or anyone else to build a road on my property. That's why they are starting eminent domain proceedings to take my land.
I have lived here since 1999. The road reconfiguration planning started in 2007.
In case you aren't aware of the 5th amendment of the constitution, there's something in there that says:
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
This is a public forum, and you are welcome to post your opinion, but in the future please do not make assumptions about individuals unless you have facts supporting your ideas.
Thanks. |
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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 11:46 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | Long Time Resident wrote: | BTW, the speed limit will always be 50; if you try to get it changed with a traffic study, it will only get increased to 55. |
Why did they feel it appropriate to make the speed limit between One Mile Road and Princeton-Hightstown Rd 40? In what twisted universe does this cooridor through a business park district just down the road need a lower speed versus a residential neighborhood? Especially when the speed limit resumes to 50 MPH right after you cross Princeton-Hightstown.
Personally I will never be settled on understanding how their study or logic for the 50 works until I understand the decision making process that justified the 40 there. |
Yes, but Mercer still maintains it at 50 MPH past Princeton-Hightstown.
The point is how much integrity does the process have if one county that decide that its reasonable for the speed to be 40 MPH in a business district but the next says it is unreasonable in a residential area? And if the reason for all this is supposedly because they are keeping Old Trenton as a major vein East/West to the Turnpike, then isn't that more undermined by the 40 MPH stretch anyway than anything being accomplished by the $1.7M turn lane?
"They" are a different county. Once you cross the Millstone you are in Mercer County. Different government different decisions. |
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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 11:54 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Mr. Diamond is right. The process started in 2007, not years and years ago, or even 6 years ago. A call to the Township office like I placed was able to get that simple answer.
It was not communicated and when I called the Town I was told they were surprised by the widening. Perhaps the town officials were, but Mr. Cook clearly had information from somewhere. He seems to have been the only one who was communicating at that time and he was not in office yet. I thank him for this. The members of the TC at the time never communicated and yet they were the ones going to the County asking for a resolution of the road way issue.
I am sure we will hear residents are to blame for asking the TC to go to the county because quite simply that is how the TC has operated. Blame those raising the issue for the result and not the TC and others who are the ones speaking with the county. They don't accept the blame that they erred in approach or lack of communication to residents. The fact is the TC between 2007 and 2009 was different and is changing, but we need full change to ensure residents are respected again.
I don't want to speak for Mr. Diamond, but I myself know I would be angry if told the road was being widened and they would condemn it, but I would be livid if I found out only after someone started the process to widen the road by putting stakes in the ground and then not even trying to compensate me.
I myself cannot wait to hear who is running this year and hope to have 4 new choices to select from otherwise I will vote for the new people. |
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Posted: Sat, Apr 10 2010, 12:22 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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RobDiamond wrote: | Guest 2 wrote: | Guest wrote: | This has to be illegal - no public notice? No notice to Mr. Diamond that his land is being taken? What is going on here? |
I'm sure Mr. Diamond's land has an easement/right of way in the front that gives the county access for a road. They don't have to notify him-- he technically already gave them permission to use that land when he purchased the property and agreed to the easement/right of way.
Think of it like when you go to work one day and the trees in front of your house look gorgeous and you come home and the utility company has hacked them to pieces to clear them from their power lines. The power company has a right of way (not sure of the technical term) to maintain it's power lines in front of my house and yeah I come home and I'm pissed and upset and miss my beautiful trees, but the fact of the matter is the power company did not have to notify me or ask me or anything. I gave them the right to access my property and "maintain their lines" when I bought my property. Sucks when it happens, and I feel for Mr. Diamond, but it is not illegal.
As for the public notice - remember these plans were discussed and approved YEARS ago, probably even before Mr. Diamond bought the house (I don't think they've lived there that long). And yes, sometimes public notices are made in obscure places (little columns in newspapers) and that should maybe be changed. But the time to ask the question was when you see the easement/right of way in front of the property when you buy and THEN you should ask questions . |
I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. So you can get your facts straight, I'd be happy to meet with you in person and share the facts with you. In the meantime, let me clear some things up.
There is NO easement or right of way for the county or anyone else to build a road on my property. That's why they are starting eminent domain proceedings to take my land.
I have lived here since 1999. The road reconfiguration planning started in 2007.
In case you aren't aware of the 5th amendment of the constitution, there's something in there that says:
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
This is a public forum, and you are welcome to post your opinion, but in the future please do not make assumptions about individuals unless you have facts supporting your ideas.
Thanks. |
I apologize -- I had not read anywhere on this post that they had initiated eminent domain. That is clearly another story. It was my understanding that they had simply started work on an already approved project -- I did not understand that they had initiated eminent domain. It seems VERY odd that they would go this far in the process and only NOW be initiating eminent domain proceedings. This certainly needs to be investigated.
Only illustrates how weak this forum is for getting a story clear and straight. I guess we all need to mindful of that.
Again, I apologize. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 8:59 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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One good thing is that the bridge area will be raised so that anytime it rains hard the road will not be closed.
On a side note, I hear they are putting in a starting tree near Lynch and two digital timing signs by the swim club. Now we can see who comes in first and how fast we did it in. lol |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 9:53 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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You're still in a flood plain where Ancil floods as well, I am not sure it will do much good. But, a try is better than no try. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 9:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | One good thing is that the bridge area will be raised so that anytime it rains hard the road will not be closed.
On a side note, I hear they are putting in a starting tree near Lynch and two digital timing signs by the swim club. Now we can see who comes in first and how fast we did it in. lol |
Where did you get the info about raising the bridge area? |
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RobDiamond
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 10:38 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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I'd like to collect names and addresses of people who are interested in the Old Trenton Road issue. Having a coalition of people will help when we approach various political entities.
Please send you name, address, and desired email contact info to:
oldtrenton@gmail.com
Thanks! |
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Dan Mulligan
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 1:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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It appears this person would be a good start as who to send letters and e-mails to at the County level. It may help as he was at Cranbury day last year which means he at least has some interest in Cranbury. Further I remember being in a conversation with he and a few others at Cranbury day and he commented on how the process of speed reduction had become an easier process.
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H. James Polos
48 Skyview Terrace
Highland Park, NJ 08904
Highland Park
Office: (732) 249-2611
County Office:(732) 745-3852
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 4:42 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Old Trenton Road in East Windsor between 571/Princeton Hightstown Road( which is also known to us old timers as Locust Corner) and One Mile Road has been 40 MPH since around 1965 when RCA was built. Due to the high volume of people entering the RCA complex it made sense to have slower speeds. Old Trenton Road from One Mile to South Main Street was rural. Old Trenton Road Did not extend to Route 130 until 1995, when Cranbury Greene was built. The county had planned on extending Old Trenton for nearly 25 years prior to doing it. The swim club was built in the 1970s but had a relatively low traffic volume. Shadow Oaks was started in the early to mid 1980s and was completed in the late 80s early 90s. Milstone Park was completed in 1992. Since the county Uses OTR to lighten the volume on 571 it is not likely to change the speed limit. Oh and the Hightstown Bypass (133) has been opposed for years by East Windsor Mayor Janice Mirinov, which is why the speeds are low and the signage is poor. It is also heavily speed patroled by East Windsor PD. Everything that can be done to discourage it's use is being done. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 6:35 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 6:46 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
Interesting. I assume by east side of 130 you're referring to the warehouses, which means you're referring to truck traffic.
The turnpike is not down OTR, and there are much better routes to access 195, 295, Rt. 1, etc. Than OTR.
Most of the current truck traffic now consists of Conway Trucking (located near Mercer County Park off OTR). |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 7:56 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
Where is the $125,000 number coming from for the master plan? |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 8:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Just think of how much taxes will go down once the toll booths are up and running. |
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