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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 8:10 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
But that is undermined if the speed limit is still 40 MPH between Princeton-Hightstown and One Mile Road. It sounds like the East Windsor Mayor and Mercer County have one idea of the use of the road and Middlesex County a different, incompatible idea. But without East Windsor and Mercer being on the same page they are wasting a lot of our tax dollars and taking private citizen land by force and not helping any of our residents for no real value.
And that 40 MPH stretch definitely is used as a speed trap -- I see partol cars there all the time with people stopped. So ironically we have East Windsor investing in enforcing a slow speed for their business park but nothing protecting the citizens of Cranbury in their residential tract. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 8:15 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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The only way this all works is if we spend the millions of dollars to build the liberty way bridge. Two of our TC members ran on NOT building this bridge to no where so problem solved. No bridge no need for commercial truck worries from the county. |
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Posted: Sun, Apr 11 2010, 10:21 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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soon East Windsor won't have the manpower to patrol their portion of OTR or 133 either, just like Cranbury doesn't. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 5:52 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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[/quote]Only illustrates how weak this forum is for getting a story clear and straight. I guess we all need to mindful of that.
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To reiterate - this forum is not a reliable source and is proving to be a rumor mill. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 7:18 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
Interesting. I assume by east side of 130 you're referring to the warehouses, which means you're referring to truck traffic. |
I am referring to all commercial development including a significant expansion of retail development, which is the apparent reason they are opening the master plan. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 7:30 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Only illustrates how weak this forum is for getting a story clear and straight. I guess we all need to mindful of that.
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To reiterate - this forum is not a reliable source and is proving to be a rumor mill. | [/quote]
Feel free not to visit. However, while there are some rumors, other posters put them down. So one can then judge rumor or fact. If someone like Mr. Diamond or someone posts a factual link similar to Mr. Cook's blog then I would say that there is less likely rumor to it.
Already, I have more factual information here than in any paper or even would have had by attending a TC meeting since this was never discussed. And yes, I did attend the traffic meeting that was held in the large group room last fall where all of this could have and should have been discussed, but was not. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 7:32 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
Where is the $125,000 number coming from for the master plan? |
CRANBURY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE #04-10-02 AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A SPECIAL EMERGENCY CRANBURY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE # 04-10-03 APPROPRIATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000 FOR THE PREPARATION AND EXECUTION OF A COMPLETE MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN AND BY THE TOWNSHIP OF CRANBURY, IN THE COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, NEW JERSEY. (Second Reading) |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 8:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | The expansion of Old Trenton Road is an important part of the commercial development on the east side of Route 130. Developers want easy access from all directions to maximize the land value.
This is why we have a sudden "need" to expand OTR and to spend $125,000 to change the master plan. |
Where is the $125,000 number coming from for the master plan? |
CRANBURY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE #04-10-02 AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A SPECIAL EMERGENCY CRANBURY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE # 04-10-03 APPROPRIATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000 FOR THE PREPARATION AND EXECUTION OF A COMPLETE MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN AND BY THE TOWNSHIP OF CRANBURY, IN THE COUNTY OF MIDDLESEX, NEW JERSEY. (Second Reading) |
Where does it say this is related to OTR expansion?
If so (and I reserve judgment on that until I hear more facts), this is outrageous. Regardless of the County's motivation for doing this reckless and wasteful work, surely the Township government which is supposed to represent us wouldn't be in agreement with it. Even if you don’t live in that part of town none of us are served by work that appears to be to encourage more non-resident traffic to use it. And surely they wouldn't spend a dime to accommodate it. And if they were contemplating it, wouldn't they at least hold public hearings to get resident input on the matter first and explain to us all how this helps us?
I find it hard to believe in this year where we are cutting school services and still getting a tax increase that we would waste six-figures doing something contrary to the interests of most residents.
Several TC members regularly post here. Can one of them please chime in on this? |
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wcody
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 10:32 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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I am on a business trip and will not be at Monday's meeting. I am having the following read into the record. I am very concerned on what is happenning on Old Trenton Rd. Since this is a county road, the town does not directly control any changes. Of course we can have an influence which is why I am requesting the township committee send a letter to the county. Also, as I saw in a previous post, it is an excellent idea residents should send comments to the county freeholder who is responsible for the road projects. Win Cody
I regret that business commitments will have me out of town on April 12 and I will be unable to the township committee meeting. I wanted to comment on the proposed road work for Old Trenton Rd. While I had heard of some preliminary plans to add some turn lanes and realign the entrance of Millstone Park. I had been unaware of any road widening. While it is a county road, I feel the county has an obligation to inform and discuss major road work with the affected towns. The preliminary plan, done in 2006-2007, had turn lanes which was intended to calm traffic by redirecting through lanes and prevent dangerous situations where cars are passing turning vehicles. There was no road widening in those early plans. I realize that all parties are working with good intentions but the most important thing we need to consider is the safety issues on Old Trenton Rd. This is a dangerous residential road which children use to go to the park or swim club and ride their bikes alongside cars traveling speeds that exceed the 50 MPH limit. There are many driveways on the road. The town has attempted on numerous occasions, unfortunately without good results, to lower the speed limit to a more sensible 40 MPH. While I still do not know exactly what is in the proposed plan by the county, it sounds as if it could be more dangerous leading to even more speeding. by widening the roads, removing trees, moving telephone poles, narrowing the shoulder bring traffic closer to pedestrians and possibly removing some sidewalks (based on looking at the red flags).
I would like the Cranbury Township Committee to send a letter to the county requesting a public hearing of the proposed changes to the road. The county should present their proposed changes and hear comments and feedback from the Township Committee and residents. This hearing should be done prior to any work be commenced. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 10:59 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Thanks Win.
Do you know anything about the alleged $125,000 in Township money being spent to supposedly alter the Master Plan to confirm with this County work, as a previous poster has claimed? |
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wcody
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 11:36 am EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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The Master Plan and Old Trenton Rd. work are two different items. Towns need to maintain and update the Master Plan which lay out different elements such as zoning regulations (retail vs. commericial), open space, etc. There is an element of traffic on the report as well. The way the town is laid out today is because of good prior work on the Master Plan. We need to update of that plan to see if there are any areas that need modification.
There is a committee consisting of members of the TC, Planning Board and Zoning Board participating. There is an important meeting on Tuesday April 14 to get public input on what changes are desired. There will be another public meeting before it is finalized and there will be ability for the public to comment on this plan. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 2:51 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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How convenient for Cody, he happens to live in the effected area. Hes only concerned with stuff that might affect him pulling out of his driveway. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 3:31 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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yea wrote: | How convenient for Cody, he happens to live in the effected area. Hes only concerned with stuff that might affect him pulling out of his driveway. |
Really uncalled for. Win has given much of his time and energy in regard to numerous issues in this town. Our politics may not be the same, but to say he is not concerned with all aspects of life for people in Cranbury is unfair and he certainly works hard to understand the issues and find solutions. That's a lot more than I can say about many. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 4:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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I can tell you that Mr. Taylor is also concerned and he lives on S. Main St.
These guys are looking out for the town and residents. I think it's another simple flame trying to cloud the fact that there was not proper communication occurring. |
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 4:22 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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Quote: | How convenient for Cody, he happens to live in the effected area. Hes only concerned with stuff that might affect him pulling out of his driveway. |
I agree that this comment was TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR and in addition, untrue. |
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Dan Mulligan
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Posted: Mon, Apr 12 2010, 5:13 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Old Trenton Road Reconfiguration - Township Committee Meeting April 12 |
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yea wrote: | How convenient for Cody, he happens to live in the effected area. Hes only concerned with stuff that might affect him pulling out of his driveway. |
If that were true then why did Win vote against the sewer increase last year? He lives in Shadow Oaks on Septic.
Overall Win, Jay, and Dave Cook have all been looking out for the good of the town since they were each elected which has been a good thing for all of us here in Cranbury.
As for old trenton road I called Polos office today 2 times and was told he would call me back. However I still have not received that call.
I encourage anyone and everyone to call his office and let his assistants know we are concerned. From what I understand the call volumes are usually rather low in these offices so if a dozen or so of us call over the next day voicing our concern and requesting something be done then it just may help as the spike in calls should get their attention. |
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