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 Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 8:11 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Interesting read. Mayor Stout says in the notes that they were unaware of the widening. Mr. Taylor (not on TC last year) says the former engineer had a responsibility to notify the town of all their discussions with the county and he opposes the widening. Then Mr. Stannard who was on the TC last year says the engineer did notify the town of all their discussions. Mr. Cook's blog supports the comment from Mr. Stannard since he posted about the road widening be approved and I doubt he attended the freeholder meetings in the off chance of some Cranbury discussion occurring. It seems revisionist history is occurring. |
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| Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 8:35 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Ah yes. It is a plot. |
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| Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 9:00 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Not saying it is any type of plot. I would just like to get an honest answer and straight forward answer. It seems even Mr. Taylor was not even getting a straight answer based on his comments and as a TC member he should be told about the situation. |
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| Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 9:18 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Ah yes. It is a plot. |
Those are the meeting notes. There is no opinion stated. |
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| Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 10:47 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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It seems like mistakes were made. Township committee members were aware of the re-striping project but not the widening. The old township engineer (Marcelli?) knew about the widening but either didn't think it was worth mentioning or forgot to mention it to all the township committee members. I'm guessing there was confusion on "Re-striping" vs. "Widening" on the part of the committee members that knew.
The county failed to notify residents, made mistakes as to what property was theirs and what property belonged to residents, made mistakes as to filling in wetlands near the swim club, made mistakes as to the proper design of a residential roadway, etc.
Now, there is much backpedalling, CYA-ing, and silence in the matter. I bet some county people are worrying about losing their jobs over these mistakes. The contract has been signed with the construction company, so if the project is cancelled, taxpayer money will go down the drain... they have to do SOMETHING to spend the money granted for this project.
This is a mess. This is a project that nobody wants that will move forward anyway because of the signed contract. |
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| Posted: Thu, Apr 29 2010, 11:21 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | It seems like mistakes were made. Township committee members were aware of the re-striping project but not the widening. The old township engineer (Marcelli?) knew about the widening but either didn't think it was worth mentioning or forgot to mention it to all the township committee members. I'm guessing there was confusion on "Re-striping" vs. "Widening" on the part of the committee members that knew.
The county failed to notify residents, made mistakes as to what property was theirs and what property belonged to residents, made mistakes as to filling in wetlands near the swim club, made mistakes as to the proper design of a residential roadway, etc.
Now, there is much backpedalling, CYA-ing, and silence in the matter. I bet some county people are worrying about losing their jobs over these mistakes. The contract has been signed with the construction company, so if the project is cancelled, taxpayer money will go down the drain... they have to do SOMETHING to spend the money granted for this project.
This is a mess. This is a project that nobody wants that will move forward anyway because of the signed contract. |
I agree, it's just Dave's blog mentions widening so that had to come from somewhere. I think everyone is in CYA mode except for Mr. Stannard who I think is being honest that the Twp. Engineer did tell people, but probably in good faith the TC thought the residents would approve because the intent was to make the road safer. I don't think anyone did anything wrong or try to harm. Just a good deed gone wrong that people are running from now. |
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be careful what you wish
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 1:19 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| The subject of safety on Old Trenton Road first first came up in the township committee election of 2006. Phyllissanne Steyn made it a campaign issue saying that people on the committee didn't care about safety on the road. Big public meetings were held. A study was done by the county and sure enough it was concluded that the traffic was going pretty fast and couldn't be slowed down so the road had to get widened. This falls into the category of "be careful what you wish for." Complaining might just make the problem worse. |
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 7:40 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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Saftey on Old Trenton Rd. may have been a campaign issue in 2006, I do not recall. I do recall Mr. Panconi's Cranbury Crawl, but I seem to remember that was for Main St. (still like his idea and it worked).
I also recall residents bringing traffic safety up as early as the early 80's when Shadow Oaks was first going in, then in the 1990's residents again made the push for lower speed limits and even sidewalks because the safety issue was so great. People came out in mass to protest sidewalks and the TC decided not to spend the money.
Residents have every right to ask for concerns to be reviewed by the TC and if there are a lot of people asking then the TC should review the issue. People asked for a 40mph speed limit. Therefore, I don't see the need to blame some resident for raising a traffic safety issue or even saying the TC doesn't care.
Who even cares if Ms. Steyn was a supporter of Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave who ran in 2006 or if the people running made it an issue, she wasn't running and she wasn't elected to manage the process. Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave are not on the TC today and are not involved with OTR now.
And yes, I do want 40mph and do oppose the widening. But, I don't feel I am to blame for this issue since I had no power to say no. |
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 8:59 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | Saftey on Old Trenton Rd. may have been a campaign issue in 2006, I do not recall. I do recall Mr. Panconi's Cranbury Crawl, but I seem to remember that was for Main St. (still like his idea and it worked).
I also recall residents bringing traffic safety up as early as the early 80's when Shadow Oaks was first going in, then in the 1990's residents again made the push for lower speed limits and even sidewalks because the safety issue was so great. People came out in mass to protest sidewalks and the TC decided not to spend the money.
Residents have every right to ask for concerns to be reviewed by the TC and if there are a lot of people asking then the TC should review the issue. People asked for a 40mph speed limit. Therefore, I don't see the need to blame some resident for raising a traffic safety issue or even saying the TC doesn't care.
Who even cares if Ms. Steyn was a supporter of Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave who ran in 2006 or if the people running made it an issue, she wasn't running and she wasn't elected to manage the process. Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave are not on the TC today and are not involved with OTR now.
And yes, I do want 40mph and do oppose the widening. But, I don't feel I am to blame for this issue since I had no power to say no. |
Another shining example of the mismanagement of projects during the Stave and Stout years running our town council. The people we elected are to blame not the residents who brought issues to the attention of the town council. We should all be thankful Stave is gone and Stout is soon to be. We should also be thankful for the newly elected members of the council such as Dave Cook along with those other two Cody and Taylor who are cleaning up the mess. |
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 10:19 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | Saftey on Old Trenton Rd. may have been a campaign issue in 2006, I do not recall. I do recall Mr. Panconi's Cranbury Crawl, but I seem to remember that was for Main St. (still like his idea and it worked).
I also recall residents bringing traffic safety up as early as the early 80's when Shadow Oaks was first going in, then in the 1990's residents again made the push for lower speed limits and even sidewalks because the safety issue was so great. People came out in mass to protest sidewalks and the TC decided not to spend the money.
Residents have every right to ask for concerns to be reviewed by the TC and if there are a lot of people asking then the TC should review the issue. People asked for a 40mph speed limit. Therefore, I don't see the need to blame some resident for raising a traffic safety issue or even saying the TC doesn't care.
Who even cares if Ms. Steyn was a supporter of Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave who ran in 2006 or if the people running made it an issue, she wasn't running and she wasn't elected to manage the process. Mr. Panconi and Ms. Stave are not on the TC today and are not involved with OTR now.
And yes, I do want 40mph and do oppose the widening. But, I don't feel I am to blame for this issue since I had no power to say no. |
Another shining example of the mismanagement of projects during the Stave and Stout years running our town council. The people we elected are to blame not the residents who brought issues to the attention of the town council. We should all be thankful Stave is gone and Stout is soon to be. We should also be thankful for the newly elected members of the council such as Dave Cook along with those other two Cody and Taylor who are cleaning up the mess. |
Hey it was the counties call and as you will soon find out Cook, Cody and Taylor will have little influence with the county also. I realize you dislike Stout and Stave. But standing on your head to blame them for this is just silly. |
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 10:25 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated.
We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work.
Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
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| Posted: Sun, May 2 2010, 11:53 pm EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated.
We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work.
Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
So we will then be begging for the old members of the township committee? They were all "New" at one point also. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 12:19 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated.
We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work.
Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
So we will then be begging for the old members of the township committee? They were all "New" at one point also. |
not all at the same time. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 7:11 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated.
We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work.
Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
You're overlooking key information.
1) Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor grew up in Cranbury they are well connected with every department in town and know people in town probably more people than most residents posting here do. So they understand the town issues better than most people I would say.
2) They also know the history of the TC, PB, and ZB actions so they can use this history. That is something that the TC's did not do in the past 5-10 years- the West Property is a prime example.
3) If you have attended the township meetings you would see the most detailed, lengthy and knowledgeable reports are delivered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor showing they are full steam into their responsibilities.
4) How did the relationships the long term TC have at the county level help us on OTR? They say the county never told them of the widening, is that a good relationship? How about all the concrete by Main St. that the county dumped and refuses to remove is that a good relationship?
5) 90% of what the TC does is town business independent of the state or county and these officials are elected too so they may be out next term. However, Mr. Cook is apparently good friends with Linda and I know Mr. Cody and Mr. Taylor were good friends with Bill Baroni. I assume they will become so with Mr. Goodwin who is also new. |
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| Posted: Mon, May 3 2010, 7:16 am EDT Post subject: Re: The April 12, 2010 Township Committee meeting minutes |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | One thing that should worry everyone. After the next election we will have no one on the TC with more than two years experience. While you may love all of them, you must realize that this will be the least experienced TC in twenty years and twenty years ago the job was significantly less complicated.
We will have a TC that has only rudimentary contacts with county and state officials. It will be hard to forge these relationships as they will need to spend most of their time learning the nuts and bolts of how townships work.
Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
You're overlooking key information.
1) Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor grew up in Cranbury they are well connected with every department in town and know people in town probably more people than most residents posting here do. So they understand the town issues better than most people I would say.
2) They also know the history of the TC, PB, and ZB actions so they can use this history. That is something that the TC's did not do in the past 5-10 years- the West Property is a prime example.
3) If you have attended the township meetings you would see the most detailed, lengthy and knowledgeable reports are delivered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Taylor showing they are full steam into their responsibilities.
4) How did the relationships the long term TC have at the county level help us on OTR? They say the county never told them of the widening, is that a good relationship? How about all the concrete by Main St. that the county dumped and refuses to remove is that a good relationship?
5) 90% of what the TC does is town business independent of the state or county and these officials are elected too so they may be out next term. However, Mr. Cook is apparently good friends with Linda and I know Mr. Cody and Mr. Taylor were good friends with Bill Baroni. I assume they will become so with Mr. Goodwin who is also new. |
One more point, Mr. Taylor's father was on the TC in the early 90's I believe. I am sure he, Mr. Cody and Mr. Cook can have access to Mr. Taylor Sr. as well as other former TC members to provide guidance where needed. |
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