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 Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 8:04 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| When will we see Station Rd residents rise up or are they willing to accept that they knew what they had when they moved there. The street is as narrow if not narrower then Maplewood. More kids on a daily basis walk there than Maplewood as a path to and from school. Truck traffic and car traffic is constant unlike Maplewood. Will Maplewood residents support changes on Station Rd? |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 8:46 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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We support anything that considers first the safety of our children and exsting character of our streets or neighborhood. I am unfamiliar with what Station Roaders want as a change. For us on Maplewood we are trying to STOP a change that compromises these by changing the primary Main Street access (commercially zoned side) to primary Maplewood access (on the residentially zoned side) and the resulting creation of a back alley (love the Bruce posting BTW) on Maplewood, Scott and Park to accomodate a large Main street house.
About the neighborly changes- no thanks. We have copies of these plans and they essentially create a 12 ft wide one way in from Main with a Chain and ballast to close it of at the homeowners discretion. The Maplewood Main access poits are 17 and 21 feet wide, I believe. This entrance is so narrow that it can also be blocked and made a non use driveway just like the Odd Fellows lot next door (which is owned by the applicant's attorney BTW). QUESTION: can we have such a chain in front of the Maplewood access points to block your commerical traffic from going past our homes??.. because we don't want it either. Can we have solid fences in our yards to block our view of your business? No- we have already been denied such privelages in several cases. Fact is, it's your business. Can the Board PLEASE consider this: Why is the home on Main allowed to be of the size to preclude a real Main street ingress and egress and why are these special privelages for the applicants even being considered? I hope and trust the board will use common sense and not let these things slisde through.
If this were a "neighborly" endeavor and not a steam roll, we would not have to look at those ugly signs on our streets telling non-existant passers to stay out (allegedly, one Sweetwater employee was almost hit and our tax dollars were used to summons the police out for an investigation and to file a report. I am interested to see the police report to see if this is in fact true and if a license plate has been obtained or the offender identified or if this is just another ploy by their attorney.
BTW- has everyone seen Sweetwater attorney's previous letter to the Township committee asking to have non business parking prohibitted from the PNC lot? It's on file in the planning board if you would like to see it- interesting, that's all. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 8:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| It's too bad that Sweetwater's attorney had to be one of our towns prominent citizens. Now he's gone over to the dark side. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 9:12 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | When will we see Station Rd residents rise up or are they willing to accept that they knew what they had when they moved there. The street is as narrow if not narrower then Maplewood. More kids on a daily basis walk there than Maplewood as a path to and from school. Truck traffic and car traffic is constant unlike Maplewood. Will Maplewood residents support changes on Station Rd? |
Station Road is not having changes forced on them like Maplewood, it doesn't have any parking issues on the street, and it has always had constant traffic. So if there is a new problem, give us more info and start a new Station Rd discussion. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 9:19 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Well now, the true colors of our residents are coming out. This is the dark side of Cranbury that we dont talk about. Lets bad mouth in public someone for doing a job he was hired to do. Lets look at a concession as a sign of weakness and grab for more. You have lost all sense of objectiveness and now are just an angry person looking for no middle ground. I didn't hear you yelling and hiring lawyers when a restaurant moved in around the corner with NO parking and clogged up Scott Ave. It impacts the street every day. But now that your oasis is being changed you go all out ballistic, taking the low road shouting conspiracy and unfair. Sweetwater land is theirs to do what they want with it. I guess your American values only work when its good for you. YOu better be careful and think about what alternatives could present themselves. Karma |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 9:40 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | Well now, the true colors of our residents are coming out. This is the dark side of Cranbury that we dont talk about. Lets bad mouth in public someone for doing a job he was hired to do. Lets look at a concession as a sign of weakness and grab for more. You have lost all sense of objectiveness and now are just an angry person looking for no middle ground. I didn't hear you yelling and hiring lawyers when a restaurant moved in around the corner with NO parking and clogged up Scott Ave. It impacts the street every day. But now that your oasis is being changed you go all out ballistic, taking the low road shouting conspiracy and unfair. Sweetwater land is theirs to do what they want with it. I guess your American values only work when its good for you. YOu better be careful and think about what alternatives could present themselves. Karma |
Scare tactics? That sounds just about right for this application |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 9:45 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | When will we see Station Rd residents rise up or are they willing to accept that they knew what they had when they moved there. The street is as narrow if not narrower then Maplewood. More kids on a daily basis walk there than Maplewood as a path to and from school. Truck traffic and car traffic is constant unlike Maplewood. Will Maplewood residents support changes on Station Rd? |
Station Road is not having changes forced on them like Maplewood, it doesn't have any parking issues on the street, and it has always had constant traffic. So if there is a new problem, give us more info and start a new Station Rd discussion. |
What the person I think is saying is that Station Rd. has always had these issues and no one has ever tried to fix it. So if the issue on Maplewood is the harm that could be done, then why isn't anyone working on an existing issue that is happening already. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 9:49 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Well now, the true colors of our residents are coming out. This is the dark side of Cranbury that we dont talk about. Lets bad mouth in public someone for doing a job he was hired to do. Lets look at a concession as a sign of weakness and grab for more. You have lost all sense of objectiveness and now are just an angry person looking for no middle ground. I didn't hear you yelling and hiring lawyers when a restaurant moved in around the corner with NO parking and clogged up Scott Ave. It impacts the street every day. But now that your oasis is being changed you go all out ballistic, taking the low road shouting conspiracy and unfair. Sweetwater land is theirs to do what they want with it. I guess your American values only work when its good for you. YOu better be careful and think about what alternatives could present themselves. Karma |
Scare tactics? That sounds just about right for this application |
Agreed and "you" assumes this is one person. It is not. Furthermore, if it was their right to do "do what they want with it" we wouldn't be in front of the tonship boards, would we? If this was true of any of our properties, we would never have to ask approval for anything. But it is not true, despite your professional opinion otherwise. We want our back street maintained and not turned into a back alley. We have done our homework and believe we will prevail. You do what you think you must, WE (not I) are fine with this as we have been given no other choice. Your railroad plan failed, sir. Sorry that you must now present your case in the light of day. Good luck. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 10:05 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Wow! you obviously were not hugged as a child. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 10:26 am EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | ... Sweetwater land is theirs to do what they want with it. I guess your American values only work when its good for you. YOu better be careful and think about what alternatives could present themselves. Karma |
I am neutral on this issue because I don't have all the facts. But your statement is not true and I doubt you would even support it out of context. Every Township and State has zoning laws and pretty much every property has restrictions on its use. Someone can't buy a house on the lake in Evans and turn it into a bar and nightclub or a factory, etc. And the part of Main Street where Sweetwater bought is even more restirctive than most because it is in a special historic district. The owners understood that when they bought, so there's nothing unfair going on here. And I believe what some people are objecting to is not what they want to build as-of-right but the various variances and exceptions they are asking for both in terms of traffic flow and the characteristics of the house they want to add. The objecting residents are merely asking that they not be granted changes to the as-of-right uses. How is that un-American?
To say that they can do whatever they want with it is to say that either that you believe they are uniquely entitled to more privileges than any other resident or business owner in town is or that you believe all such restrictions are wrong and that you favor a free-for-all where everyone can now start building and modifying their properties in any way. So which is it? |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 3:37 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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Seems like an odd place to put a huge house. Why not a commercial/retail structure???????
Offices and retail space. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 3:53 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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That area where Maplewood Ave & Scott Ave meet is SOOOO narrow. It really was built for horse and buggy traffic.
It really should be a one way street going North up to Park Place.
It is NOT a major thorofare.
People FLY down Maplewood and hit that turn onto Scott and barely avoid accidents on a daily basis.
It really should have limited traffic access. Especially with all of the stuff going on in the old PNC bank area.
Allowing parking on both sides of the street would be okay, I wouldn't want to limit the parking there.
Just my 3 cents worth. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 6:44 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| I think maplewood should be 1-way out of town, but I don't live there, so I'll defer to those who do. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 6:53 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | That area where Maplewood Ave & Scott Ave meet is SOOOO narrow. It really was built for horse and buggy traffic.
It really should be a one way street going North up to Park Place.
It is NOT a major thorofare.
People FLY down Maplewood and hit that turn onto Scott and barely avoid accidents on a daily basis.
It really should have limited traffic access. Especially with all of the stuff going on in the old PNC bank area.
Allowing parking on both sides of the street would be okay, I wouldn't want to limit the parking there.
Just my 3 cents worth. |
Seems that the Maplewood contingent (assuming they really ARE Maplewood residents since they have never actually divulged their identities) wants life to return to the horse-and-buggy days. They so far have been adamantly opposed to rational suggestions that have been offered on this thread (and elsewhere) to reduce the commuter and teenager traffic that tears down their street to avoid the 25MPH limit and decoy police cruiser on the main drag. They just want to roll back the clock to a simpler time (albeit one where PNC allowed them to drop off their cars because they've expanded their homes into now-nonexistent driveways). Face it, folks, Maplewood IS a back street; with or without this house that everyone is talking about but nobody has seen and with or without the multiple bank teller lanes causing frequent fender benders by Xanax-addled soccer moms not knowing which way to turn.
Remember The Music Man? Remember "Pick-a-Little, Talk-a-Little"? That's you, girls.
This thread has become boring. It's time to rip the Blue Rooster a new one. Somebody told me that they are really Taliban in disguise (good disguise, too, considering the quality of their food) and part of the Grand Conspiracy. |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 8:01 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Perplexed wrote: | | Guest wrote: | That area where Maplewood Ave & Scott Ave meet is SOOOO narrow. It really was built for horse and buggy traffic.
It really should be a one way street going North up to Park Place.
It is NOT a major thorofare.
People FLY down Maplewood and hit that turn onto Scott and barely avoid accidents on a daily basis.
It really should have limited traffic access. Especially with all of the stuff going on in the old PNC bank area.
Allowing parking on both sides of the street would be okay, I wouldn't want to limit the parking there.
Just my 3 cents worth. |
Seems that the Maplewood contingent (assuming they really ARE Maplewood residents since they have never actually divulged their identities) wants life to return to the horse-and-buggy days. They so far have been adamantly opposed to rational suggestions that have been offered on this thread (and elsewhere) to reduce the commuter and teenager traffic that tears down their street to avoid the 25MPH limit and decoy police cruiser on the main drag. They just want to roll back the clock to a simpler time (albeit one where PNC allowed them to drop off their cars because they've expanded their homes into now-nonexistent driveways). Face it, folks, Maplewood IS a back street; with or without this house that everyone is talking about but nobody has seen and with or without the multiple bank teller lanes causing frequent fender benders by Xanax-addled soccer moms not knowing which way to turn.
Remember The Music Man? Remember "Pick-a-Little, Talk-a-Little"? That's you, girls.
This thread has become boring. It's time to rip the Blue Rooster a new one. Somebody told me that they are really Taliban in disguise (good disguise, too, considering the quality of their food) and part of the Grand Conspiracy. |
I chose to ignore this |
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| Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 8:21 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Sweetwater Construction (a.k.a. Old PNC Bank) |
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| Guest wrote: | | Perplexed wrote: | | Guest wrote: | That area where Maplewood Ave & Scott Ave meet is SOOOO narrow. It really was built for horse and buggy traffic.
It really should be a one way street going North up to Park Place.
It is NOT a major thorofare.
People FLY down Maplewood and hit that turn onto Scott and barely avoid accidents on a daily basis.
It really should have limited traffic access. Especially with all of the stuff going on in the old PNC bank area.
Allowing parking on both sides of the street would be okay, I wouldn't want to limit the parking there.
Just my 3 cents worth. |
Seems that the Maplewood contingent (assuming they really ARE Maplewood residents since they have never actually divulged their identities) wants life to return to the horse-and-buggy days. They so far have been adamantly opposed to rational suggestions that have been offered on this thread (and elsewhere) to reduce the commuter and teenager traffic that tears down their street to avoid the 25MPH limit and decoy police cruiser on the main drag. They just want to roll back the clock to a simpler time (albeit one where PNC allowed them to drop off their cars because they've expanded their homes into now-nonexistent driveways). Face it, folks, Maplewood IS a back street; with or without this house that everyone is talking about but nobody has seen and with or without the multiple bank teller lanes causing frequent fender benders by Xanax-addled soccer moms not knowing which way to turn.
Remember The Music Man? Remember "Pick-a-Little, Talk-a-Little"? That's you, girls.
This thread has become boring. It's time to rip the Blue Rooster a new one. Somebody told me that they are really Taliban in disguise (good disguise, too, considering the quality of their food) and part of the Grand Conspiracy. |
I chose to ignore this |
You can't ignore me! You want all caps? |
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