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 Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 10:27 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
All of those reasons sound good though.
It seems like this is not a major change or inconvenience. Based on the way the rules work for busing, some parents end up having to either walk their kids almost 2 miles to school or drive them which is a much greater inconvenience than bussing. I know other families who’s kids have to be out for the bus at 7:45 each day, including a kindergartener. Both ways that adds over an hour to a 5 year olds already full day school schedule. And those kids have always had to catch the bus right at the corner of a major street with a 50 MPH speed limit, as have others. The point is everyone has trade-offs and sacrifices. Having the bus stop on a major street with a fast speed limit or at the entrance to an entire neighborhood is not unique to this stop. So why should this group be uniquely entitled to a different result just because they had been previously? In the grand scheme of things they are not getting a worse result than many other students or parents in the district.
As for the problem being that the district officials didn’t attempt to communicate with or engaged the parents before the change, ok. Fair point, though again they haven’t communicated any more with other parents when they have made route changes either. But if that is the main complaint, why would it justify reversing the route change? You can’t argue that the route change is reasonable on its own merit but should be changed back simply because the parents didn’t get better notice. |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 10:40 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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Really, this is all you people have to talk about?? who cares if your kid has to walk a few more feet....
what would you people have done 50 years ago?? wow!!!!
its crazy what this world is coming to - CRAZY!!!! |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 11:30 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 11:33 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
Your first post really does sound like a conspiracy theory. |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 12:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | I know that the new route saves time in the morning and keeps buses off of the cul de sacs but I am fuming that I can no longer sit at my front door and watch the kids get on the bus. Now I have to walk out onto Old Trenton Rd and wait for the bus. The last few mornings have been chilly and I really do not want to waste gas sitting in an idling car (I try to be environmentally friendly).
Why won't the school board reverse their decision? Why can't everything go back to the way it was last year? Why must I be inconvenienced? |
Wah, wah, wah,.......................poor me! |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 1:39 pm EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
Please then inform all of us. Your original and follow up posts fail to give us ANY information. We are left to think that you are just a complainer and have nothing valid to say. This is not an attack, just wish you would realize how off the wall your posts come across. Please tell us what the problem is as far as you are concerned.  |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 2:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
You keep saying that but you realize that makes no sense, right? You keep saying the issue is NOT about the bus stop but about "dealing with the administration" and the way it makes unilateral decisions and communicates. But of course it is about the bus stop. Otherwise you are suggesting that all this fuss and showing up in force at the school board meeting and the letters to the paper, etc. is nothing more than the protest the principle of their decision and not the result. That's BS. The letter, the speakers at the meeting, etc. all were specifically interested in changing the bus route back, not just in complaining about how the school went about the decision.
So those of us not agreeing with you are not simply "uninformed" as you would like to believe. We simply aren't falling for your logic that this isn't about the actual bus stop. Of course it is. Whether the school acted poorly or not, the end result is some people want the route reverted and some people don’t see why it should be. |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 4:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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Hey HO
Picariello and Haney must go
Hey Ho
Picariello and Haney must go
Hey Ho
Picariello and Haney must go. |
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| Posted: Tue, Oct 12 2010, 10:32 pm EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
You keep saying that but you realize that makes no sense, right? You keep saying the issue is NOT about the bus stop but about "dealing with the administration" and the way it makes unilateral decisions and communicates. But of course it is about the bus stop. Otherwise you are suggesting that all this fuss and showing up in force at the school board meeting and the letters to the paper, etc. is nothing more than the protest the principle of their decision and not the result. That's BS. The letter, the speakers at the meeting, etc. all were specifically interested in changing the bus route back, not just in complaining about how the school went about the decision.
So those of us not agreeing with you are not simply "uninformed" as you would like to believe. We simply aren't falling for your logic that this isn't about the actual bus stop. Of course it is. Whether the school acted poorly or not, the end result is some people want the route reverted and some people don’t see why it should be. |
"uninformed" because your only source of information on this matter is this blog and the Cranbury Press. I never said you had to agree with the parent's position however, you shouldn't imply they are whining and complaining about walking an extra 50ft. Their position is based on far many more facts and data then what has been posted here or in the Cranbury Press. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 4:23 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | ?? wrote: | | What's the chief reason for making such change? Buses not going into the two cul-de-sacs? Are there dangerous monsters living in the two cul-de-sacs? |
Simplifies the route and makes it quicker and more efficient, avoids having a large bus drive through a residential neighborhood unnecessarily which carries it's own danger, avoids the bus having to make turns onto and across traffic on a busy road. I can think of lots of reasons. |
why all of a sudden is this so much more dangerous than it was last year. seems made up and ridiculous |
Even the Township Comittee meeting minutes that were just posted say the reason for the bus change is that going into the cul-de-sac is dangerous. So what has changed since last year? Are there really monsters, rabid dogs, ferocious bunnies? |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 6:20 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Seems like the real issue is that it is more cost-efficient to send a bus down OTR instead of back into your neighborhood. The question is, do you really think it is fair to ask the rest of the town to pay for door to door bus service for your kid, especially when most parents receive no bus service at all? |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 7:56 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Seems like the real issue is that it is more cost-efficient to send a bus down OTR instead of back into your neighborhood. The question is, do you really think it is fair to ask the rest of the town to pay for door to door bus service for your kid, especially when most parents receive no bus service at all? |
There was always only one bus stop per development on those streets. It might cut the time by 30-45 seconds by not pulling into the neighborhood, so would the cost-efficiency even be that significant? |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 9:45 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | guest 3 wrote: | | Anyone who has followed this issue from the beginning would know that this issue is not just about buses. The real issue is that the school administration is making major decisions without doing the proper research. In order to save face, the administration has flip-flopped on the reason for changing the stops, first it was to save time and money, and lastly for safety reasons. Regardless of the real reason, they continue scramble to find facts to justify their most recent position. And that my friends is the real problem.....it's not a "bus"problem, it's and administration problem. Keep digging, I am sure you will find more than meets the eye with many issues........ |
It sounds so movie like. A conspiracy you infer ? What is the reason? Money, power, a pay off? Who is controlling the board? The Mafia? There are many questions that need to be answered, LOL
I think you need to remember that this is just a bus stop change and not the end of the world. Little Johnny and little suzie will get to school just fine. If you cannot bear to stand on OTR waiting for the bus then drive like everyone else. Boo Hoo that you must walk 50 extra feet in the morning, Boo Hoo. Many people don't get busing and always have to walk or drive their children. |
Not implying a conspiracy. Again the issue is not just about changing a bus stop/route. Clearly you haven't dealt with the administration directly or attended a board meeting on any matter. If you had you would be more informed rather than just posting opinions on a matter you don't know anything about. Stop implying parents don't want to walk an extra 50ft, that is not the issue AT ALL. Get the details then make an informed post. |
You keep saying that but you realize that makes no sense, right? You keep saying the issue is NOT about the bus stop but about "dealing with the administration" and the way it makes unilateral decisions and communicates. But of course it is about the bus stop. Otherwise you are suggesting that all this fuss and showing up in force at the school board meeting and the letters to the paper, etc. is nothing more than the protest the principle of their decision and not the result. That's BS. The letter, the speakers at the meeting, etc. all were specifically interested in changing the bus route back, not just in complaining about how the school went about the decision.
So those of us not agreeing with you are not simply "uninformed" as you would like to believe. We simply aren't falling for your logic that this isn't about the actual bus stop. Of course it is. Whether the school acted poorly or not, the end result is some people want the route reverted and some people don’t see why it should be. |
"uninformed" because your only source of information on this matter is this blog and the Cranbury Press. I never said you had to agree with the parent's position however, you shouldn't imply they are whining and complaining about walking an extra 50ft. Their position is based on far many more facts and data then what has been posted here or in the Cranbury Press. |
Ummm. Okay, here's your big chance....enlighten us! You keep stating that there are "many more facts" and then fail to provide a single one. If you really believe that there is more to it than having to get up 10 minutes earlier, or walk an extra block or two, fine. But don't claim that everyone who disagrees with you is simply uninformed. Please, I'm dying to be informed. What exactly is the issue here? |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 10:10 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| From what I understand, the thought behind not entering cul-de-sacs is not an efficiency issue (though it is faster to just pick them up on OTR), but a safety issue. It is always better for the bus to be stationary and the kids come to the bus from one direction. In a cul-de-sac, the kids are all waiting at their front doors and running/walking to the bus from all directions = less safe. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 10:37 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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There are bus stops on 45 and 50 mile per hour roads all over town. Even if you assume that every driver is still doing a full 50 on Old Trenton, which I know is not the case because I use it often around those times, that would be no different than what many parents and students have been dealing with for years.
If we're going to start pressuring the school to fix bus stops there are other issues that might be just as important. Like all the bus routes aren't equal. A couple consistently get in with time to spare at school while at least one, maybe two, are often late and always so close to the start of school that the kids have to run and scramble and skip their lockers not to miss class. That doesn't seem fair. But I guess those parents haven't organized a resistance movement yet. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 13 2010, 10:59 am EDT Post subject: Re: CRANBURY: School board refuses to change bus stops |
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| Guest wrote: | | That doesn't seem fair. But I guess those parents haven't organized a resistance movement yet. |
Sometimes I read these forums and have to wonder what types of positive change could come about if only people would get as worked up about things like war, poverty, shady banking practices and genetically altered beef as they do about school bus stops, Sweetwater's attached garage and finding a parking space on Main St. It fairly boggles the mind. |
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