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 Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 7:20 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | I'm not fighting it just commenting on the obvious absurdity. No need to fight the status quo. Someone will need to fight, and fight hard, to get a majority of people in this town to support any money going toward solving this phantom problem. And I couldn’t be the only one because the above was my first post in this topic. I also noticed you evaded answering any of the questions or examples and continued to fail to provide any specific evidence of the problem, as usual for the small minority of people in this town who think parking is a problem. I would also say you’re the one with your head in the sand if you think most people agree with you. The only place people are continuously complaining is this anonymous site which could be as few as one person. One of the great things about a small town is you get to know most of the people and I know a lot more people here who don’t think we have a parking problem than who think we do have a problem. If most people thought it was a problem they would have supported the former Township Committee when it proposed buying the PNC site to preserve control of its parking. But it faced widespread opposition and the Committee repeatedly dropped it rather than put it to referendum knowing it would lose. But if you’re convinced otherwise, go for it. Make a specific proposal for how to solve this problem, ask the Committee to have it priced out then put it to a Township vote. Let’s see if most people agree with your problem and think it’s worth Township money and time to fix. |
The former PNC was being proposed as the new stand alone library parking was NEVER part of the conversation. |
Incorrect. Unofficially the TC originally pursued the PNC site as a possible solution for the stand alone library. But even by the first TC public meeting to discuss it there had already been so much negative backlash that the TC majority in favor of pursuing the site instead said they did not have a single defined purpose for it but rather that it was a unique opportunity with several advantages which included a community center, preservation of the public parking there and, possibly but not definitely, a library. Subsequently the parking issue was raised repeatedly by TC members and supporters of pursuing the site and if you searched this site from the time of those discussions you would see the issue raised here in that context. |
The plan was always for a library and the other uses were cover for that. |
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| Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 9:20 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | I'm not fighting it just commenting on the obvious absurdity. No need to fight the status quo. Someone will need to fight, and fight hard, to get a majority of people in this town to support any money going toward solving this phantom problem. And I couldn’t be the only one because the above was my first post in this topic. I also noticed you evaded answering any of the questions or examples and continued to fail to provide any specific evidence of the problem, as usual for the small minority of people in this town who think parking is a problem. I would also say you’re the one with your head in the sand if you think most people agree with you. The only place people are continuously complaining is this anonymous site which could be as few as one person. One of the great things about a small town is you get to know most of the people and I know a lot more people here who don’t think we have a parking problem than who think we do have a problem. If most people thought it was a problem they would have supported the former Township Committee when it proposed buying the PNC site to preserve control of its parking. But it faced widespread opposition and the Committee repeatedly dropped it rather than put it to referendum knowing it would lose. But if you’re convinced otherwise, go for it. Make a specific proposal for how to solve this problem, ask the Committee to have it priced out then put it to a Township vote. Let’s see if most people agree with your problem and think it’s worth Township money and time to fix. |
The former PNC was being proposed as the new stand alone library parking was NEVER part of the conversation. |
Incorrect. Unofficially the TC originally pursued the PNC site as a possible solution for the stand alone library. But even by the first TC public meeting to discuss it there had already been so much negative backlash that the TC majority in favor of pursuing the site instead said they did not have a single defined purpose for it but rather that it was a unique opportunity with several advantages which included a community center, preservation of the public parking there and, possibly but not definitely, a library. Subsequently the parking issue was raised repeatedly by TC members and supporters of pursuing the site and if you searched this site from the time of those discussions you would see the issue raised here in that context. |
The plan was always for a library and the other uses were cover for that. |
That may be the wink-and-nod truth but the supporters of the PNC purchase, including Mayor Stout at the time, fervently denied that and insisted the other issues were real and that the library was not the definitive purpose. In any event to say parking wasn't part of the "conversation" as the original poster did is obviously wrong. Red herring or not, it was a frequent part of the conversation. |
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| Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 12:41 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | I'm not fighting it just commenting on the obvious absurdity. No need to fight the status quo. Someone will need to fight, and fight hard, to get a majority of people in this town to support any money going toward solving this phantom problem. And I couldn’t be the only one because the above was my first post in this topic. I also noticed you evaded answering any of the questions or examples and continued to fail to provide any specific evidence of the problem, as usual for the small minority of people in this town who think parking is a problem. I would also say you’re the one with your head in the sand if you think most people agree with you. The only place people are continuously complaining is this anonymous site which could be as few as one person. One of the great things about a small town is you get to know most of the people and I know a lot more people here who don’t think we have a parking problem than who think we do have a problem. If most people thought it was a problem they would have supported the former Township Committee when it proposed buying the PNC site to preserve control of its parking. But it faced widespread opposition and the Committee repeatedly dropped it rather than put it to referendum knowing it would lose. But if you’re convinced otherwise, go for it. Make a specific proposal for how to solve this problem, ask the Committee to have it priced out then put it to a Township vote. Let’s see if most people agree with your problem and think it’s worth Township money and time to fix. |
The former PNC was being proposed as the new stand alone library parking was NEVER part of the conversation. |
Incorrect. Unofficially the TC originally pursued the PNC site as a possible solution for the stand alone library. But even by the first TC public meeting to discuss it there had already been so much negative backlash that the TC majority in favor of pursuing the site instead said they did not have a single defined purpose for it but rather that it was a unique opportunity with several advantages which included a community center, preservation of the public parking there and, possibly but not definitely, a library. Subsequently the parking issue was raised repeatedly by TC members and supporters of pursuing the site and if you searched this site from the time of those discussions you would see the issue raised here in that context. |
The plan was always for a library and the other uses were cover for that. |
That may be the wink-and-nod truth but the supporters of the PNC purchase, including Mayor Stout at the time, fervently denied that and insisted the other issues were real and that the library was not the definitive purpose. In any event to say parking wasn't part of the "conversation" as the original poster did is obviously wrong. Red herring or not, it was a frequent part of the conversation. |
A study was done to determine if PNC was a suitable place for the library. Parking was not part of that. |
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| Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 7:52 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| LOL. Do you realize how silly you sound? You don’t need a “study” to determine if a parking lot is “suitable” for public parking, especially when the public had already been using it that way for years by agreement with the bank. Besides, that still doesn’t change the fact that it was part of the “conversation.” Apparently you weren’t at the meetings and you didn’t read this forum back then or you would know that. |
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| Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 10:02 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| A study was not done, because the township committee did not want to even look into the situation at the time. I guess it was too controversial despite its potential. It was a wasted opportunity to look into what could have been done. But this is history now.... |
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| Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 10:51 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | | A study was not done, because the township committee did not want to even look into the situation at the time. I guess it was too controversial despite its potential. It was a wasted opportunity to look into what could have been done. But this is history now.... |
Three members of the TC, Stout, Stannard and Stave, informally toured the space on their own, specifically excluding the other two TC members whom they didn't invite. They then floated the idea of buying the site for a library in advance of a meeting. There was immediate backlash from some of the community, which was quite split on the issue. The bank was asking $1.4M at the time and had rebuffed inquiries from the township to donate the space or significantly discount it. By the time of the public TC meeting, where there were 30-something people in the audience some having been encouraged by the TC members and the library board to show up in support, they had backed off the suggestion of buying it right away and backed off saying it would definitely be for a library, since much of the community criticism was that we didn’t need a new stand-alone library. Instead, the 3 TC members, particularly Mayor Stout, emphasized that they had no committed purpose but that it had numerous possibilities including a senior center, community center, preservation of public parking and possibly a library. They now proposed that they instead commission a “study” for this rare “opportunity” to acquire a viable space on Main Street. Those objecting raised a couple logical concerns. First, that if they were no longer buying it for a library or any specific purpose, what would the study actually study? How could they do due diligence without a specific purpose in mind? Second, Mayor Stout, who kept saying it was only a study they were proposing and not a purchase yet, was repeatedly asked then to commit on the record then that they would allow further opportunity for public comment before proceeding to a purchase. He consistently refused to do so, causing some to believe that the “study” was just a tactic to forestall public opposition which would then be used to justify immediate action without further public input. Others suggested a referendum to voters which Stave said there was not time for, which is ironic because the site continued to be available for many months after that and they had time to bring the possible purchase issue up again twice in subsequent months. In the end since the purchase would require a “super majority” of 4 out of 5 TC members in favor since it would require a new bond, they put it to an informal vote of the TC and neither of the two members who were excluded from the tour said they would support it. So they did not proceed to authorize the study. |
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| Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 1:05 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| phew, take a breath, add some paragraphs, chill out. |
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 9:00 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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Sounds like this problem is solved by asking the local PD to enforce the law then and asking the Township to have some signs installed to inform people of parking on one-side only.
This is a great idea, except nobody cares about signs. I go to the school annex everyday and there are 3 handicapped spots which are filled everyday by the same 3 moms who have no business parking there. Then when a police officer does drive around that way he does nothing about the cars. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the PD to enforce anything that has to do with parking if I were you. |
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 9:54 am EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | Sounds like this problem is solved by asking the local PD to enforce the law then and asking the Township to have some signs installed to inform people of parking on one-side only.
This is a great idea, except nobody cares about signs. I go to the school annex everyday and there are 3 handicapped spots which are filled everyday by the same 3 moms who have no business parking there. Then when a police officer does drive around that way he does nothing about the cars. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the PD to enforce anything that has to do with parking if I were you. |
They work for the Township. If this becomes a priority for the Township I would thing the Committee could call up the chief and ask him to have parking ordinances better enforced. |
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 1 2011, 3:34 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | Sounds like this problem is solved by asking the local PD to enforce the law then and asking the Township to have some signs installed to inform people of parking on one-side only.
This is a great idea, except nobody cares about signs. I go to the school annex everyday and there are 3 handicapped spots which are filled everyday by the same 3 moms who have no business parking there. Then when a police officer does drive around that way he does nothing about the cars. So I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the PD to enforce anything that has to do with parking if I were you. |
Why have you not made a complaint? Waiting for someone else to do it? Is it easier to complain anonymously here? Is this true or are you the same poster on here who tries to get everyone riles up? I am surprised you did not post the names of the "moms" or give their vehicle descriptions. I wish people would stop complaining here anonymously and notify the pd if there is a violation. |
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| Posted: Thu, Mar 3 2011, 1:38 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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Why have you not made a complaint? Waiting for someone else to do it? Is it easier to complain anonymously here? Is this true or are you the same poster on here who tries to get everyone riles up? I am surprised you did not post the names of the "moms" or give their vehicle descriptions. I wish people would stop complaining here anonymously and notify the pd if there is a violation.
WOW, so many questions to answer. I have talked to the school officials and yet nothing has been done about it. I suppose I should contact the PD since it's too hard for them to notice these things as they drive RIGHT PAST the cars in question. I'm simply stating something that I noticed, and quite frankly I'm sick of having to do the PD's jobs. And, I would have posted the names if I knew them, and by the way it's a black minivan, a green car and a silver Cherokee since you want the descriptions! Lastly, NO I am not the person who gets everyone riled up on here. |
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| Posted: Thu, Mar 3 2011, 8:28 pm EST Post subject: Re: Parking or just Barking? |
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| Guest wrote: | Why have you not made a complaint? Waiting for someone else to do it? Is it easier to complain anonymously here? Is this true or are you the same poster on here who tries to get everyone riles up? I am surprised you did not post the names of the "moms" or give their vehicle descriptions. I wish people would stop complaining here anonymously and notify the pd if there is a violation.
WOW, so many questions to answer. I have talked to the school officials and yet nothing has been done about it. I suppose I should contact the PD since it's too hard for them to notice these things as they drive RIGHT PAST the cars in question. I'm simply stating something that I noticed, and quite frankly I'm sick of having to do the PD's jobs. And, I would have posted the names if I knew them, and by the way it's a black minivan, a green car and a silver Cherokee since you want the descriptions! Lastly, NO I am not the person who gets everyone riled up on here. |
WOW so nasty your reply is. Why isn't the school officials doing anything about it? Who did you speak to? I have been looking since your post and have not seen anyone without handicap identification parked in those spots. I did not know the colors of the cars at the time but all the cars parked there had little handicap signs in the windows that looked official. Have you made sure these cars don't have handicap signs? |
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