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Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2011, 9:08 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Let's be clear. I'm not talking about anybody but you. You have missed the point. There are some people that agree with my point, and others who would debate it. But you simply miss the point and instead choose to argue against points that haven't been made. I understand it is easier for you to rail against arguments you wish I was making. But that is idiotic. |
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Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2011, 11:19 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Actually, neither Ms. Alfonso, nor the school administration, took the opportunity to clarify her statements on the video, so the public will never know what she meant. That was the point many posters seemingly missed from the last thread on that subject.
These are your words. Therefore this is your point. I get it. Here is why I disagree. Your statement,"the public will never know what she meant", ok I disagree, I think it is clear what she meant.
Now you state, "the school administration (never) took the opportunity to clarify....statements on the video". Why should the school clarify her statements on the video. It was not a school event. They have nothing to do with the event. This is the part of your "point" I see as "idiotic".
So, it boils down to YOU don't know what she meant. Therefore, you are demanding that she explain herself to you. This she may or may not do, but to assume she owes you something is what I thought was "arrogant".
Actually I believe you are relatively intelligent. That is why I find it hard to believe you don't know what she meant. Therefore, I conclude that you are trying to stir this up for political purposes.
So again to disagree with you is to miss your point. |
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Posted: Mon, Mar 14 2011, 11:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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just the same ole union bashing - thanks God for our wonderful Cranbury teachers |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 12:03 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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My point is not about unions or politics or commentary on Ms. Alfonso. My point is that her comments, which became part of a major news story, were portrayed as derogatory toward tax payers. I believe either she, or the school, should have clarified her comments and, if her comments were portrayed accurately (which they likely were not) an apology should be made.
If I worked for an investment bank, and I went to an investment banking conference (on my own time) and some unscrupulous reporter caught me on tape (wearing a name-badge of ny investment bank) saying something like "screw them, I'm still getting my bonus!", iAND that story was picked up by virtually every major new outlet, I would expect my company to issue a statement clarifying the remarks to our shareholders. I would also personally feel compelled to issue a statement apologizing if my comments created the wrong impression and caused any embarrassment to my company.
That logic is essentially the basis of my opnion.
I feel the politics of O'Keefe and the unions vs. The governor and the overall tenor of the national debate have lead people to argue against a simple common courtesy.
You can choose to either accept that my opinion is based on my own moral compass, or continue to assume I'm some political hack, but I'm finished debating the point because I can't be more clear. In fact, I'm not the one who resurected the debate, which further illustrates the irony. The reason this issue is still being discussed is because the school and the teacher chose not to clarify her comments. IMO, that decision was arrogant.
That said, I wish Ms. Alfonso well. I am inclined to believe she must be going through a serious personal challenge to put herself in the position of potentially sacrificing her dream. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 7:22 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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You're a nasty poster - repeating the same lie about a teacher here in Cranbury over and over - just to make your ideological anti-union point. Give it up! |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 7:57 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Guest wrote: | You're a nasty poster - repeating the same lie about a teacher here in Cranbury over and over - just to make your ideological anti-union point. Give it up! |
Untrue and uncalled for.I have said nothing nasty and not lied in any way. I simply have a different opinion than you. Grow up! |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 8:42 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Guest wrote: | My point is not about unions or politics or commentary on Ms. Alfonso. My point is that her comments, which became part of a major news story, were portrayed as derogatory toward tax payers. I believe either she, or the school, should have clarified her comments and, if her comments were portrayed accurately (which they likely were not) an apology should be made.
If I worked for an investment bank, and I went to an investment banking conference (on my own time) and some unscrupulous reporter caught me on tape (wearing a name-badge of ny investment bank) saying something like "screw them, I'm still getting my bonus!", iAND that story was picked up by virtually every major new outlet, I would expect my company to issue a statement clarifying the remarks to our shareholders. I would also personally feel compelled to issue a statement apologizing if my comments created the wrong impression and caused any embarrassment to my company.
That logic is essentially the basis of my opnion.
I feel the politics of O'Keefe and the unions vs. The governor and the overall tenor of the national debate have lead people to argue against a simple common courtesy.
You can choose to either accept that my opinion is based on my own moral compass, or continue to assume I'm some political hack, but I'm finished debating the point because I can't be more clear. In fact, I'm not the one who resurected the debate, which further illustrates the irony. The reason this issue is still being discussed is because the school and the teacher chose not to clarify her comments. IMO, that decision was arrogant.
That said, I wish Ms. Alfonso well. I am inclined to believe she must be going through a serious personal challenge to put herself in the position of potentially sacrificing her dream. |
Ok I now know our problem. You are not comparing apples to oranges. "If I worked for an investment bank and went to an investment bank conference" Well she works for the school and went to a union meeting. So your analogy is hideously flawed. The problem is you think the Union and the school are the same. The school has nothing to do with the union. The school does not get to tell someone what to do on there time in a seperate organization. Again I will use a better analogy. Should your employer ask you to explain your posts on this board.
The problem was never, do I get your point. The problem is you have never understood the situation. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 8:45 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Guest wrote: | My point is not about unions or politics or commentary on Ms. Alfonso. My point is that her comments, which became part of a major news story, were portrayed as derogatory toward tax payers. I believe either she, or the school, should have clarified her comments and, if her comments were portrayed accurately (which they likely were not) an apology should be made.
If I worked for an investment bank, and I went to an investment banking conference (on my own time) and some unscrupulous reporter caught me on tape (wearing a name-badge of ny investment bank) saying something like "screw them, I'm still getting my bonus!", iAND that story was picked up by virtually every major new outlet, I would expect my company to issue a statement clarifying the remarks to our shareholders. I would also personally feel compelled to issue a statement apologizing if my
comments created the wrong impression and caused any embarrassment to my company.
That logic is essentially the basis of my opnion.
I feel the politics of O'Keefe and the unions vs. The governor and the overall tenor of the national debate have lead people to argue against a simple common courtesy.
You can choose to either accept that my opinion is based on my own moral compass, or continue to assume I'm some political hack, but I'm finished debating the point because I can't be more clear. In fact, I'm not the one who resurected the debate, which further illustrates the irony. The reason this issue is still being discussed is because the school and the teacher chose not to clarify her comments. IMO, that decision was arrogant.
That said, I wish Ms. Alfonso well. I am inclined to believe she must be going through a serious personal challenge to put herself in the position of potentially sacrificing her dream. |
IMO it sounds like you are a political Hack and anti union.
She did nothing that requires her to explain or apologize to anyone. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 9:21 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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So the question remains...was she let go? |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 9:27 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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guest12345 wrote: | So the question remains...was she let go? |
Nobody has ever said she was let go.......Oh yeah some genius on a message board. If they told you little green men from mars are living in your basement you would believe that too. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 9:29 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | My point is not about unions or politics or commentary on Ms. Alfonso. My point is that her comments, which became part of a major news story, were portrayed as derogatory toward tax payers. I believe either she, or the school, should have clarified her comments and, if her comments were portrayed accurately (which they likely were not) an apology should be made.
If I worked for an investment bank, and I went to an investment banking conference (on my own time) and some unscrupulous reporter caught me on tape (wearing a name-badge of ny investment bank) saying something like "screw them, I'm still getting my bonus!", iAND that story was picked up by virtually every major new outlet, I would expect my company to issue a statement clarifying the remarks to our shareholders. I would also personally feel compelled to issue a statement apologizing if my
comments created the wrong impression and caused any embarrassment to my company.
That logic is essentially the basis of my opnion.
I feel the politics of O'Keefe and the unions vs. The governor and the overall tenor of the national debate have lead people to argue against a simple common courtesy.
You can choose to either accept that my opinion is based on my own moral compass, or continue to assume I'm some political hack, but I'm finished debating the point because I can't be more clear. In fact, I'm not the one who resurected the debate, which further illustrates the irony. The reason this issue is still being discussed is because the school and the teacher chose not to clarify her comments. IMO, that decision was arrogant.
That said, I wish Ms. Alfonso well. I am inclined to believe she must be going through a serious personal challenge to put herself in the position of potentially sacrificing her dream. |
IMO it sounds like you are a political Hack and anti union.
She did nothing that requires her to explain or apologize to anyone. |
I appreciate your honesty, though I don't know on what basis you have arrived at your conclusion. I suspect it is your own biases that have kead you to your conclusion. I agree that she is not "required" to comment. I believe she, or the school" "should" comment because it is the right thing to do. You may feel she should not comment. That is a difference of opinion. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 9:43 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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Guest wrote: | Guest wrote: | My point is not about unions or politics or commentary on Ms. Alfonso. My point is that her comments, which became part of a major news story, were portrayed as derogatory toward tax payers. I believe either she, or the school, should have clarified her comments and, if her comments were portrayed accurately (which they likely were not) an apology should be made.
If I worked for an investment bank, and I went to an investment banking conference (on my own time) and some unscrupulous reporter caught me on tape (wearing a name-badge of ny investment bank) saying something like "screw them, I'm still getting my bonus!", iAND that story was picked up by virtually every major new outlet, I would expect my company to issue a statement clarifying the remarks to our shareholders. I would also personally feel compelled to issue a statement apologizing if my comments created the wrong impression and caused any embarrassment to my company.
That logic is essentially the basis of my opnion.
I feel the politics of O'Keefe and the unions vs. The governor and the overall tenor of the national debate have lead people to argue against a simple common courtesy.
You can choose to either accept that my opinion is based on my own moral compass, or continue to assume I'm some political hack, but I'm finished debating the point because I can't be more clear. In fact, I'm not the one who resurected the debate, which further illustrates the irony. The reason this issue is still being discussed is because the school and the teacher chose not to clarify her comments. IMO, that decision was arrogant.
That said, I wish Ms. Alfonso well. I am inclined to believe she must be going through a serious personal challenge to put herself in the position of potentially sacrificing her dream. |
Ok I now know our problem. You are not comparing apples to oranges. "If I worked for an investment bank and went to an investment bank conference" Well she works for the school and went to a union meeting. So your analogy is hideously flawed. The problem is you think the Union and the school are the same. The school has nothing to do with the union. The school does not get to tell someone what to do on there time in a seperate organization. Again I will use a better analogy. Should your employer ask you to explain your posts on this board.
The problem was never, do I get your point. The problem is you have never understood the situation. |
There is no "perfect" analogy. Yours is flawed. Mine is flawed. If you are asking me if I think someone who attends a conference in their industry, on their own time, wearing the nametag of their employer, makes comments that appear to be disparaging to the employers customers, and those comments, which were probably edited with bias, ultimately became part of a major news story, should the person, or persons employer take the opportunity to clarify the comments- my answer is Yes. The right thing to do is to clarify the comments and if necessary, apologize.
You seem to want to argue that in this case the taecher and/or the school are not required to comment. I agree. I just think that clarifying her comments would have been the right thing to do. |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 9:50 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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I think this whole situation is indicative of America's bias against video games and Gamers. If that teacher had been typing on a computer, instead of playing a video game, everyone would have been OK with that. Research shows video games are a gateway to learning new technologies for children and adults. I for one have had enough of your anti-gaming Gamer-bashing nonsense! |
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Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2011, 10:47 am EDT Post subject: Re: Teacher fired? |
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My problem with this topic is it is indicative of how people use this message board. Whenever someone posts a simple question, like asking for suggestions for contractors, more often than not they get no replies or very few. If there is more than a couple almost certainly it is because the topic has drifted into something scandalous like the allegedly lecherous dermatologist.
I get the human nature of being interested in scandal and of people’s willingness to write things anonymously they would never be willing to say or write with their name attached. But why is that the only thing that drives this community board? This topic started out with a simple question. Someone made an assumption about the connection to a teacher who’s been out and someone else made a connection to a teacher involved in some supposed scandal nine months ago. From that point on that unrelated connection dominated the replies. One person posted specifics about the teacher’s actual performance at Cranbury. No one cared. All they care about is scandal and political polarization. Unions are evil or anyone who speaks against them are evil. Etc. |
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