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 Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2011, 6:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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you've got to be kidding!!!
Total population 2,008
Male 47.71%
Female 52.29%
Median age 38.9
Cranbury Housing
Owner-occupied homes 84.4%
Median cost of a home $316,700
Median mortgage payment $1,661
Renter-occupied homes 15.6%
Vacant housing 3.4%
Median monthly rent $784
Average Income
Median for all male full-time $95,316
Median for all female full-time $44,500
Household Income
Less than $10,000 3%
$10,000 to $14,999 1%
$15,000 to $24,999 7%
$25,000 to $34,999 5%
$35,000 to $49,999 7%
$50,000 to $74,999 12%
$75,000 to $99,999 13%
$100,000 to $149,999 21%
$150,000 to $199,999 10%
$200,000 or more 21%
Education
Less than 9th grade 5%
9th to 12th grade, no diploma 2%
High school graduate 13%
Some college, no degree 11%
Associate's degree 4%
Bachelor's degree 33%
Graduate degree 32%
Marital Status
Never married 16%
Currently married 71%
Separated 1%
Widowed 7%
Divorced 5%
Race
White 90%
Black or African American 2%
Asian 8%
Other 0% |
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2011, 6:30 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Where are you getting your stats from? Cranbury has around 4,000 people. |
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 22 2011, 11:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | The labels may have a little value in broadly classifying a group of people but they are meaningless when used like the poster above to try and associate specific issues with a group or when used like some kind of slur or insult. I am a registered Democrat who is fiscally conservative and thinks the Ryan plan doesn’t go far enough, except in more breaks for big corporations, who doesn't believe in affirmative action, who doesn't think we're tough enough on crime, who doesn't believe in this "sanctuary city" concept, who doesn’t believe in modern unions, etc. Yet I would have no problem being called a liberal if that put me in the opposite camp as the hardcore "socially conservative" tea party members who support state-sanctioned discrimination against any class of people, including gays, who believe that “intelligent design” is a legitimate science or who believe that we are proportionately over taxing big corporations or billionaires in relation to middle and upper-middle class people who pay the highest tax brackets and incur the AMT. I think government should be smaller, but my concept of it would not jive with social conservatives because government should have no role in denying any two people the legal privileges of marriage or telling scientists they can’t study stem cells, etc. I always laugh when people who describe themselves as “conservatives” talk about small government then support all kinds of government intrusions and privileges when it happens to coincide with their social agenda.
The point is labels stop working when used to pigeonhole and entire group of people on specific issues. There is not some vast unified conspiracy of “liberals” who collectively decide “liberal” policy any more than there is for conservatives. If a judge makes a decision you don’t agree with, that judge did it not “liberals.” You may have a good point that they decision was bad, but when you collectively blame “liberals” your point is lost and you are revealed just to be hate mongering and blinded by bias and bile. Try not to see everything on ideological terms and examine things by the issues themselves. If everyone did that we would get a lot more accomplished. |
I agree with your first paragraph. I think you went off the tracks a bit in your second paragraph, in particular that part about "hate mongering and blinded by bias and bile" unless, of course, your sweeping generalizating insult was intentionally ironic, in which case...  |
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 12:06 am EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | As soon as you start your point with "liberal" you stop making sense. Lliberal versus conservative are just political terms. The real world is not defined by political jingoism. Argue your points on the merits of the facts, not by broad generalizations of political parties. |
I am not any of the above posters, nor is my point to weigh in on this issue. I disagree with your point. Labels have meanings. There is such a thing as a "liberal" and liberals are inclined to support the concept of "sanctuary city" designations. |
I also am not one of the above posters, nor do I want to way in on this issue.
But I disagree with your point. While there is such a thing as a liberal, I double dog dare you to find two people with the same definition.
In the 60's, conservative was used as a pejorative term to beat up those who disagreed with mainstream democratic candidates. For the last 20 years liberal has been used in that manner by republicans. Liberal currently seems to be anybody who disagrees with you.
My problem is classical liberalism of the 18th and 19th century is something more akin to libertarianism.
I believe the original poster was trying to say calling the otherside "liberal" or "conservative" does little or nothing to advance a point and is merely political positioning.
To make this point. In the post war era, people one would most likely deem conservative ( i e freemarket republicans)were for increased immigration. It was those typically deemed liberal (union backing democrats) most ardently anti-immigration. This too has flipped in the last 20 years. All of these labels are so twisted and constantly changing they no longer have much meaning. My advice is make your argument with out using a label for your opposition. Labeling your opposition is typically a lame attempt to set up a straw man and only makes your argument seem weaker.
Sorry to interrupt your topic, I will leave now, go back to your previous fight. |
No need to apologize for being confused. Recognizing that the meanings of political labels change over time, try focusing on the modern meanings of "liberal" and then differentiate between social and fiscal issues. "Liberals" on social issues are typically compassionate humanitarians who's motto might be "live and let live".
"Liberals" on fiscal issues typically believe the government should do more to support social programs. Their motto might be "the government should do more to fix society". This second group of liberals, often called "progressives", tend to drive policies to increase government support and services for, among other groups, undocumented (or illegal) immigrants. While these fiscal liberals are likely to be well intentioned, there is frequently a disconnect when it comes time to pay for the social programs they advocate for. Although the cry goes out to pass the buck to "the rich" or "corporate America", the costs are usually laid on the backs of the middle class. |
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 8:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 9:02 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
Exactly, anyone who disagrees with you is liberal. |
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 9:23 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
Exactly, anyone who disagrees with you is liberal. |
Seems like you are arguing with yourself. I predict a 50% chance of victory. |
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:25 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
Except the liberals on this board don't support sancuary cities. Wow, your mind must be blown. Your steroetype doesn't match reality. How is that posisble? |
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 8:14 am EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
Except the liberals on this board don't support sancuary cities. Wow, your mind must be blown. Your steroetype doesn't match reality. How is that posisble? |
I believe if you polled the "liberals on this board" you would find that some support sanctuary cities and some do not. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 9:27 am EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Who are we all kidding? Everyone here knows exactly what a "liberal" is nowadays. It's quite obvious the legislative decision handed down regarding 1 vote = 6 was not passed by a "conservative". I love the libs who try to change the definition of whatever truth they are faced with. They'll swear on a stack of bibles (assuming they aren't atheists) and try to convince everyone that an orange is a grapefruit, and a grapefruit is an orange! I ask the libs on this board to show one city/state that has been a "sanctuary city" that has it's fiscal house in order. I pray that our overindulgent Governor can keep on track and bring my home state back to it's once fabled glory! |
Except the liberals on this board don't support sancuary cities. Wow, your mind must be blown. Your steroetype doesn't match reality. How is that posisble? |
I believe if you polled the "liberals on this board" you would find that some support sanctuary cities and some do not. |
Maybe. But that still validity of blanketly associating it with those darn liberals or blaming the judges actions on "liberals" in general. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 5:42 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| I think the other poster was pointing out that there are "think tanks", PACs and other organizations that actively pursue policy agendas. On the issue of "sanctuary cities" and other pro-immigrants rights issues, these groups tend to be made up of liberals. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 6:41 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | I think the other poster was pointing out that there are "think tanks", PACs and other organizations that actively pursue policy agendas. On the issue of "sanctuary cities" and other pro-immigrants rights issues, these groups tend to be made up of liberals. |
That's a huge leap from what the other poster wrote to how you interpret it. The point is, using “liberal” or “conservative” as a kind of curse word that generalizes specific actions to an entire group of millions of people serves no purpose. Some people at both political extremes have become highly polarized politically, framing every issue in party terms. That’s how the poster reads. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 8:07 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| I can see that |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2011, 7:00 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Anyone who is in this country illegally is a criminal. The TC members are 100% right. The Hightstown police department should lock them all up and deport them. |
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 17 2011, 7:34 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Hightstown 'Don't ask' policy on immigration status raises concerns |
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| Guest wrote: | | Anyone who is in this country illegally is a criminal. The TC members are 100% right. The Hightstown police department should lock them all up and deport them. |
I guess you had a bad weekend |
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