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 Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 7:39 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Mr. Nuhbuddie wrote: | Why should people have to post their names?
Why does that make any difference if they're getting screwed out of money?
They may want to avoid social awkwardness and being ostracized by the Cranbury elites. |
If someone is going to make claims against the club then I agree they should post their name so the club can address it and so posters can know the claim is true.
By not posting a name we readers don't know if this is someone who simply does not like people on the board, is just trying to make trouble, or is just laughing at anyone taking them seriously.
It seems the board is trying to defend themselves. We as readers often automatically defend or believe the "guest" poster. Now the point has come where the poster either needs to state their name or lose credibility. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:28 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| iamawino wrote: | From Board Member
Keith A. Shaw
Media and Website
Cranbury Swim Club
All email are answered and have been since I took over the website. Although they may not be answered immediately I do get to them on a daily basis thought out the season and on a weekly basis off season. The only exception is when I was on vacation this summer and they were again immediately answered upon my return with an explanation of the delay.
To the person/persons posting here saying that emails are not answered I challenge them to post their names and I will dispute their account.
Thank you,
Keith |
I feel for you Keith, but it is a mistake to address these issues on this forum. You are merely feeding trolls. Anyone who is truly concerned with the status of the club and there bond will contact you. It is impossible for you to ever satisfy anonymous posters. Some of don't want any action they simply want to post, again and again. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:38 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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My suggestion to the club:
1. Find out who had requested for a refund.
2. Return the money.
This should shut the anonymous postings. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 9:02 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Mr. Nuhbuddie wrote: | Why should people have to post their names?
Why does that make any difference if they're getting screwed out of money?
They may want to avoid social awkwardness and being ostracized by the Cranbury elites. |
I would be interested in knowing who would consider themselves the "Cranbury elite". |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 9:33 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Quote: | | I would be interested in knowing who would consider themselves the "Cranbury elite". |
They exist in the mind of the previous poster --basement living is a lonely existence and does not help one develop good social skills. If this person ventured outside, they might be amazed at how nice it is to live in this town. Despite the cynical view sometimes shown on this forum.
I opted not to respond to the poster. I read it with a mixture of pity and amusement. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 10:24 am EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Guest wrote: | My suggestion to the club:
1. Find out who had requested for a refund.
2. Return the money.
This should shut the anonymous postings. |
Agreed, but it's not clear they have enough money for all the requests. They did not keep the bond money in an escrow or reserved account and don't have cash reserves. That's not a rumor, that's from their email to members about their financial status before the season. So they probably need to see where they stand after they pay all the bills this season before they know if they can cover the outstanding bond refunds or how many. They can't say that here because then that may scare others into asking for their money and compounding the problem. I suspect some of the people who are upset with this topic are members who know this but don't want to see this snowball into closing the club.
I can see both sides. Some people are owed money and want it. That’s fair. Others don't want this to be the straw that breaks the very delicate thread that is keeping this great local community feature alive. Some people see the bond money the way it was communicated when they joined, as a refundable deposit. Others see it as something that should not take priority over keeping the club alive. It’s a classic ranchers versus farmers dilemma. There is a limited resource of cash and it can either satisfy making whole those who no longer want the service or continuing to operate the service for those that do. It’s natural this will raise emotions for the stakeholders.
It’s an imperfect situation and the current board members are probably not the ones who let the club spend the bond reserves to stay open and are stuck with the mess. As volunteers I feel for them. I do fear for the ability of the club to survive and if it doesn’t there will be a lot of people not getting their bonds back. I don’t blame them for trying to avoid that.
If they end up not being able to return the bond money this year, they should do something to compensate the people they are defaulting. Right now they are out money and not able to use the pool. Essentially the club is using their bond money to stay in business without them sharing in that benefit. Clearly they prefer their money over membership or they wouldn’t have asked for the refunds. But if they aren’t getting the refunds, the club should at least compensate the approximate value of the lost bond money with a free year’s membership next year. Just a suggestion.
Whatever they do, and I don’t envy them, and I wish them luck. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 4:33 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Mr. Nuhbuddie wrote: | Why should people have to post their names?
Why does that make any difference if they're getting screwed out of money?
They may want to avoid social awkwardness and being ostracized by the Cranbury elites. |
What do you have to lose by using your real name? Why remain anonymous? Use your name if you want credibility. Otherwise MOVE ON TROLL. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 5:01 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Mr. Nuhbuddie wrote: | Why should people have to post their names?
Why does that make any difference if they're getting screwed out of money?
They may want to avoid social awkwardness and being ostracized by the Cranbury elites. |
What do you have to lose by using your real name? Why remain anonymous? Use your name if you want credibility. Otherwise MOVE ON TROLL. |
What do you have to lose by using your real name? Why remain anonymous? Use your name if you want credibility. Otherwise MOVE ON |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 5:34 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Mr. Nuhbuddie wrote: | Why should people have to post their names?
Why does that make any difference if they're getting screwed out of money?
They may want to avoid social awkwardness and being ostracized by the Cranbury elites. |
What do you have to lose by using your real name? Why remain anonymous? Use your name if you want credibility. Otherwise MOVE ON TROLL. |
Your statement is ridiculous. All the more so because you posted is anonymously yourself. There are plenty of reasons someone would want to post anonymously on a community board. They don't want to be attacked as trouble makers for one. Considering all the bile here at people who dare ask for their money back how much worse would it be if they posted their name?
You should consider the context before you attack posts. If they are slandering individuals or calling names, fine, call them out for hiding behind guest. But if they are asking is reasonable questions and not name called, I wouldn't rush to judgment. Their name doesn't change the question. No one has really disputed that the swim club is short on money or denied that they have delayed paying the bonds and may not be able to. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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And what if they can't pay?
Then what? |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:34 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Only 73 repetitive posts? C'mon, Cranbury.Infodels! You can do better than that. You have to have at least 100 posts before you can qualify for the most inane thread. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:39 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Mr G wrote: | And what if they can't pay?
Then what? |
Then they start by saying so. They have an obligation to disclose it if they can't. Then they either decide to close if they have no good faith basis to believe they can recover or they try to work something out with the bond holders seeking refunds so they can continue operations.
What isn't a viable option is continuing to operate into another season if they can't pay the bond holders. First, because that would mean they are receiving income and not applying it to their debt obligation without any agreement with the creditors, who are the bond holders. Second because that would mean taking in new bond money even though they have no good faith basis to repay it. It is one thing to now have the money previously committed for refund. It is something else to continue to take it in. Look up Bernie Madoff.
Alternatively they could put it to a vote of all the bond holders, current members or not, and allow them to decide whether they and refund what little money there may be or basically default permanently on the bonds in a one-time agreement with the creditors then convert future memberships to a one-time large “application fee” instead of bonds in addition to the annual membership fee.
There may be other options too. That’s for the Board to consult with counsel. But withholding their inability to pay while accepting new memberships is not an option. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:46 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Only 73 repetitive posts? C'mon, Cranbury.Infodels! You can do better than that. You have to have at least 100 posts before you can qualify for the most inane thread. |
Yada yada. We get it. Some people either want to distract from the issue of this topic to deflect attention, like an excuse to name call or don't get why people would want the money owed them. Perhaps you are all three. Either way, it is more inane to keep posting off-topic like you are than to ask questions about the status of the pool club. If the club is out of money and can't pay back the bonds that is hardly an inane topic. It affects a lot of people. |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 8:52 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: | | Only 73 repetitive posts? C'mon, Cranbury.Infodels! You can do better than that. You have to have at least 100 posts before you can qualify for the most inane thread. |
Yada yada. We get it. Some people either want to distract from the issue of this topic to deflect attention, like an excuse to name call or don't get why people would want the money owed them. Perhaps you are all three. Either way, it is more inane to keep posting off-topic like you are than to ask questions about the status of the pool club. If the club is out of money and can't pay back the bonds that is hardly an inane topic. It affects a lot of people. |
A good point adequately made 75 posts ago... |
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 9:18 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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Honestly, if I were on the board at this point I'd be so tired of this that I'd be stating make it an initiation fee for any new members like most clubs and then be done with it. Don't want to pay an initiation fee, don't join.
The whole thread we understand. People left and they are owed their bond. I don't think anyone posting or reading disagrees with this position. The question is why do we believe the other comments about being denied at the gate, about no response, etc... I know people who are waiting on their bond. However, none of them have said the board or a board member did not respond to them. They all said they heard back, it may take a while, but they heard. |
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still unclear
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| Posted: Wed, Sep 14 2011, 10:52 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Status of the Cranbury Swim Club? |
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Where in the bylaws does it state that bond holders have to be paid back?
I did not see it anywhere. Can you help me understand this or find the wording?
My membership is still active and will remain active but I did not see a time frame or a must be paid back in the bylaws. I guess I am not as smart as some of you who seem to be "in the know".
My next question is that if this has been ongoing why is the current board being blamed here?
Lastly and it is late, but really a Bernie Madoff reference? That is a good one. |
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