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PostPosted: Fri, Nov 4 2011, 9:42 am EDT    Post subject: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

"...Stockton Drive resident Kevin McConnell, whose backyard faces Route 130 south, said he constructed a fence and two waterfalls to mitigate the traffic sounds, but it didn’t help.

“It has gotten to the point where during rush hour I can’t leave my sliders open and can’t go out on my deck because it’s too loud to make life enjoyable” McConnell said. “The noise is so annoying.”

Greely said his agency knew of resident concerns and had already planned the Route 130 roadwork before receiving the petition.

“We certainly do encourage residents and local officials to notify us of any concerns that they have anywhere on our state highway system, but in this case we had been moving forward prior to any communication from Cranbury residents or officials,” he said.

Greely did not have an estimate on the cost of the Route 130 south resurfacing project through Cranbury, which he said is part of a larger project.

The northbound lanes of Route 130 in Cranbury will also be resurfaced, as part of a 15-mile project through parts of North Brunswick, South Brunswick, Cranbury and East Windsor, Greely said, but that project is still in the design phase and won’t begin for a year or two. That project is estimated to cost about $15 million, he said..."


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PostPosted: Fri, Nov 4 2011, 9:57 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

I do sympathize. But that's exactly why I never looked at housing near Route 130. It's a highway. It's predictable it will be loud. I'm sure the road resurfacing will help for a while but, seriously, if noise bothers you why buy near a highway?
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PostPosted: Fri, Nov 4 2011, 10:05 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

I agree, but I wonder if residents fully understood how loud it would be. I am just glad that this project is happening and Cranbury happens to fall within the mileage that is being repaired.
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PostPosted: Fri, Nov 4 2011, 12:28 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

It's not the highway noise itself that is annoying to a lot of us. Many trucks now are merely huge heavy shipping containers on wheels - not permanently fastened to the truck chassis. When these type trucks hit pot holes, the noise of the container bouncing on the truck frame is like a sonic boom. The resurfacing of Route 130 will hopefully eliminate that noise to some extent
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PostPosted: Sat, Nov 5 2011, 1:39 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

Who would've thought a highway near the turnpike would be used for trucks!
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PostPosted: Sat, Nov 5 2011, 1:47 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

guest wrote:
Who would've thought a highway near the turnpike would be used for trucks!


I know that your statement is just a joke! Right?
Cranbury's masterplan is designed to draw in and increase truck traffic - big time.
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PostPosted: Sat, Nov 5 2011, 2:15 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

i like warehouses wrote:
guest wrote:
Who would've thought a highway near the turnpike would be used for trucks!


I know that your statement is just a joke! Right?
Cranbury's masterplan is designed to draw in and increase truck traffic - big time.


Without the turnpike, there will be no warehouses. The logic is clear:

Turnpike --> Truck traffic --> warehouses
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 8 2011, 7:53 am EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

guest 54321 wrote:
It's not the highway noise itself that is annoying to a lot of us. Many trucks now are merely huge heavy shipping containers on wheels - not permanently fastened to the truck chassis. When these type trucks hit pot holes, the noise of the container bouncing on the truck frame is like a sonic boom. The resurfacing of Route 130 will hopefully eliminate that noise to some extent

I agree. Certainly living near a highway some amount of noise is expected and tolerable. However, in addition to the issue raised above, there are other factors driving up the volume. There is no enforcement of the ordinance against engine braking. The turnpike construction has driven more traffic onto 130. The road hasn't been fixed since the '30s. And the warehouse development continues to expand. Meanwhile the local plan to minimize the impact of the warehouse traffic, a bypass designed to siphon trucks off of Rt 130, has been canceled due to costs and other political considerations.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 8 2011, 11:02 am EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

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guest 54321 wrote:
It's not the highway noise itself that is annoying to a lot of us. Many trucks now are merely huge heavy shipping containers on wheels - not permanently fastened to the truck chassis. When these type trucks hit pot holes, the noise of the container bouncing on the truck frame is like a sonic boom. The resurfacing of Route 130 will hopefully eliminate that noise to some extent

I agree. Certainly living near a highway some amount of noise is expected and tolerable. However, in addition to the issue raised above, there are other factors driving up the volume. There is no enforcement of the ordinance against engine braking. The turnpike construction has driven more traffic onto 130. The road hasn't been fixed since the '30s. And the warehouse development continues to expand. Meanwhile the local plan to minimize the impact of the warehouse traffic, a bypass designed to siphon trucks off of Rt 130, has been canceled due to costs and other political considerations.


The Liberty Way project has not been canceled so much as stalled indefinitely. Technically the Township can't cancel it since they have a legal obligation to build it. But they can delay as long as possible. Its not "political considerations" that have stalled it, just pure costs since it will be way north of $10M+ to do so now. I don't think any taxpayer, of any party in town, would like us to shoulder all that if we don't have to.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 8 2011, 9:29 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

guest31 wrote:
more 2 the Story wrote:
guest 54321 wrote:
It's not the highway noise itself that is annoying to a lot of us. Many trucks now are merely huge heavy shipping containers on wheels - not permanently fastened to the truck chassis. When these type trucks hit pot holes, the noise of the container bouncing on the truck frame is like a sonic boom. The resurfacing of Route 130 will hopefully eliminate that noise to some extent

I agree. Certainly living near a highway some amount of noise is expected and tolerable. However, in addition to the issue raised above, there are other factors driving up the volume. There is no enforcement of the ordinance against engine braking. The turnpike construction has driven more traffic onto 130. The road hasn't been fixed since the '30s. And the warehouse development continues to expand. Meanwhile the local plan to minimize the impact of the warehouse traffic, a bypass designed to siphon trucks off of Rt 130, has been canceled due to costs and other political considerations.


The Liberty Way project has not been canceled so much as stalled indefinitely. Technically the Township can't cancel it since they have a legal obligation to build it. But they can delay as long as possible. Its not "political considerations" that have stalled it, just pure costs since it will be way north of $10M+ to do so now. I don't think any taxpayer, of any party in town, would like us to shoulder all that if we don't have to.
I had heard the Liberty Way story a little differently.

That said, the primary point of the post was to list some of the factors that make Route 130 stand out as a source of noise, light and air pollution. The fact is, there are few places in town that are insulated from the threat of increasing road noise, light and air pollution. Almost everyone lives along Rt 130 and/or OTR. So IMO we are best off working together to address these quality of life concerns.
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 9 2011, 8:52 am EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

I moved into town fully aware of Rt 130. Noise was noticeable and we made improvement on our house to help minimize it.

Prior to moving to town, I saw signs prohiiting engine breaking. I never thought about it or, frankly, knew what it meant. I quickly learned once I moved in. It would be nice to reduce that noise source through enforcement, but I see that as being difficult in practice (and, no, I do not see it as a most pressing priority).

Repaving the road will reduce noise. That's a good thing. And I've commuted along Rt 130 for nearly 25 years and have had a few instances of damage to my car from potholes or road debris popping up. So I'd be glad to see the corridor get some TLC.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jan 1 2012, 4:29 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

If you think it's bad now just wait until the new warehouses on Brickyard open up. An additional 300 trucks per day, good job t.c. once again you failed us.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jan 1 2012, 6:10 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

Boss Hogg wrote:
If you think it's bad now just wait until the new warehouses on Brickyard open up. An additional 300 trucks per day, good job t.c. once again you failed us.


This was the bargain we made with the devil. Warehouses, trucks and traffic versus Housing, increased schoolchildren and higher taxes. This decision was a townwide decision. Blaming the TC is small minded and shows a misunderstanding of the issue and the history of the Town.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 9:42 am EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

Boss Hogg wrote:
If you think it's bad now just wait until the new warehouses on Brickyard open up. An additional 300 trucks per day, good job t.c. once again you failed us.


How us this the TC's fault? The PB adopted a master plan years ago that zoned this as warehouse area. To date no one developed it. The developer has a legal right to build there.

Further developers don't come to the TC for approval they go to the planning board.

If you want to complain then at least understand the process.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 10:50 am EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

Process wrote:
Boss Hogg wrote:
If you think it's bad now just wait until the new warehouses on Brickyard open up. An additional 300 trucks per day, good job t.c. once again you failed us.


How us this the TC's fault? The PB adopted a master plan years ago that zoned this as warehouse area. To date no one developed it. The developer has a legal right to build there.

Further developers don't come to the TC for approval they go to the planning board.

If you want to complain then at least understand the process.


Technically the former TC at the time needed to approve the specific ordinances that enacted Planning Board's revised master plan making the Planning Board more of the recommending body and not the final say. Just saying, since you note the process needs to be understood.

That said, all of this was done mostly by people not even serving Cranbury anymore. The entire TC now has been in office less than 3 years, far less than the time since this decision. There are a few people left on Planning and Zoning from those days but not the majority. And as others have noted, it's not like the Planning or Zoning Boards or TC can just outright prevent development. Landowners have a legal right to use or develop their properties or sell to others who will. Short of spending a lot more taxpayer money to acquire all these properties and convert them to protected farmland, which would have cost taxpayers a fortune, you had to make a choice. Did you want thousands of homes or a commercial district? That commercial district pays almost half our taxes and used to pay a majority. But it hasn’t added any burden on our school, which would have required us to board new schools and probably would have made our ongoing relationship with Princeton impossible. It would be nice if a Township could just declare that most of the privately owned land in its boundaries couldn’t be developed but it doesn’t work that way.

Besides, even if Cranbury had spent hundreds-of-millions preserving the land or allowed thousands of homes, it wouldn’t have prevented Monroe, South Brunswick and East Windsor from allowing commercial development which would have still resulted in thousands of trucks using Route 130, which is not in the Township’s control. So we would have still faced most of the burden with little tax benefit to show for it. Due to the proximity to Exit 8A, commercial use was the inevitable and best use for the land.

Now perhaps you can criticize these previous Boards and Committee’s for not trying to do more to extract money from the developers that could have been used to fund traffic improvements, but it’s unclear what would have been viable. I’m certainly not inclined to second guess these volunteers.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 4:03 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced Reply with quote

East Windsor has a wall along parts of 130 to reduce traffic noise, light and air pollution. Cranbury should do the same. It would cost a lot of money, but it would benefit a significant number of residents and I'll bet our state Senator and Representatives would help us defray the costs.
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