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 Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 4:50 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| The town can't afford this as it is a million dollar project and how long do you make it. The state Reps are already trying to get a wall as part of the NJT expansion and have been told it is not likely. So I don't think a wall is a likely scenario anytime in the near future. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 8:30 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Looked into wrote: | | The town can't afford this as it is a million dollar project and how long do you make it. The state Reps are already trying to get a wall as part of the NJT expansion and have been told it is not likely. So I don't think a wall is a likely scenario anytime in the near future. |
How does the cost of the wall compare to the cost of the bridge? |
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| Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 9:13 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| The bridge has to be done a wall does not. A wall costs about a million dollars a mile. The dam will be at least a couple million. Add in possible COAH and there is no way the town can afford this. I don't mind paying taxes, but they should be on needs. |
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| Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 9:14 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Wally wrote: | | Looked into wrote: | | The town can't afford this as it is a million dollar project and how long do you make it. The state Reps are already trying to get a wall as part of the NJT expansion and have been told it is not likely. So I don't think a wall is a likely scenario anytime in the near future. |
How does the cost of the wall compare to the cost of the bridge? |
The bridge will probably never be built. Too many issues with the environmental impact. |
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Wally
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| Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012, 10:11 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Costs wrote: | | The bridge has to be done a wall does not. A wall costs about a million dollars a mile. The dam will be at least a couple million. Add in possible COAH and there is no way the town can afford this. I don't mind paying taxes, but they should be on needs. |
My understanding is, at the same time the town agreed to allow for a warehouse district, the town agreed to put in a truck bypass (Liberty Way) to minimize to some extent the impact of truck traffic on the residential part of town. The town must have planned to to spend a couple million dollars on the truck bypass and bridge. Now that the bypass/bridge is estimate to cost more than $10 million, and is consequently postponed indefinitely, a wall appears to be a more cost effective solution.
On the other hand, doing nothing is sort of like a bait and switch, don't you think? |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 12:22 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Wally wrote: | | Costs wrote: | | The bridge has to be done a wall does not. A wall costs about a million dollars a mile. The dam will be at least a couple million. Add in possible COAH and there is no way the town can afford this. I don't mind paying taxes, but they should be on needs. |
My understanding is, at the same time the town agreed to allow for a warehouse district, the town agreed to put in a truck bypass (Liberty Way) to minimize to some extent the impact of truck traffic on the residential part of town. The town must have planned to to spend a couple million dollars on the truck bypass and bridge. Now that the bypass/bridge is estimate to cost more than $10 million, and is consequently postponed indefinitely, a wall appears to be a more cost effective solution.
On the other hand, doing nothing is sort of like a bait and switch, don't you think? |
Unclear how the township builds a wall. 130 is a state highway. The township does not own the right of way. No right of way no wall. By the way this has nothing to do with bait and switch. It has to do with inflating costs, don't you think. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 6:59 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Nope wrote: | | Wally wrote: | | Costs wrote: | | The bridge has to be done a wall does not. A wall costs about a million dollars a mile. The dam will be at least a couple million. Add in possible COAH and there is no way the town can afford this. I don't mind paying taxes, but they should be on needs. |
My understanding is, at the same time the town agreed to allow for a warehouse district, the town agreed to put in a truck bypass (Liberty Way) to minimize to some extent the impact of truck traffic on the residential part of town. The town must have planned to to spend a couple million dollars on the truck bypass and bridge. Now that the bypass/bridge is estimate to cost more than $10 million, and is consequently postponed indefinitely, a wall appears to be a more cost effective solution.
On the other hand, doing nothing is sort of like a bait and switch, don't you think? |
Unclear how the township builds a wall. 130 is a state highway. The township does not own the right of way. No right of way no wall. By the way this has nothing to do with bait and switch. It has to do with inflating costs, don't you think. |
This is a simply case of tit for tat. Zone for warehouses and we'll build a truck bypass. When it comes to warehouses we got tits, but when it comes to a bypass, we ain't got tat! |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 7:12 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| The bridge became more expensive than originally thought. The bridge was planned to divert truck traffic to benefit Cranbury. The cost could be shared by the warehouses that benefit from the bridge to reduce the town's expense burden. I hope the township committee will be looking into this. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 7:49 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| The Township Committees’ are regularly “looking into” the bridge. The truth is no one knows how much it would cost because of the environmental impacts on the protected wetlands it would go through. But by the last estimate it would cost you as an average property taxpayer about $6,000 for your share. And that already factors in the commercial district’s portion of taxes. As for the warehouses sharing the cost, they already are as taxpayers. So are you all up for personally contributing $6,000 in extra taxes? |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 9:40 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Honestly, I don't think the bridge is the panacea you all believe. The traffic on 130 has increased up and down 130 not just in the warehouse district of Cranbury. This traffic will go up markedly this year with the 50% increase in tolls on the turnpike. More and more people and trucks are using 130 to avoid turnpike construction and tolls. The bridge would take care of the small amount of truck traffic going from our warehouses to the turnpike. Those trucks however, are not the main cause of our noise and traffic problems on 130. 130 has become a major north south artery. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 11:14 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| sorry wrote: | | Honestly, I don't think the bridge is the panacea you all believe. The traffic on 130 has increased up and down 130 not just in the warehouse district of Cranbury. This traffic will go up markedly this year with the 50% increase in tolls on the turnpike. More and more people and trucks are using 130 to avoid turnpike construction and tolls. The bridge would take care of the small amount of truck traffic going from our warehouses to the turnpike. Those trucks however, are not the main cause of our noise and traffic problems on 130. 130 has become a major north south artery. |
We need the library before the bridge or wall. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 11:26 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Library wrote: | | sorry wrote: | | Honestly, I don't think the bridge is the panacea you all believe. The traffic on 130 has increased up and down 130 not just in the warehouse district of Cranbury. This traffic will go up markedly this year with the 50% increase in tolls on the turnpike. More and more people and trucks are using 130 to avoid turnpike construction and tolls. The bridge would take care of the small amount of truck traffic going from our warehouses to the turnpike. Those trucks however, are not the main cause of our noise and traffic problems on 130. 130 has become a major north south artery. |
We need the library before the bridge or wall. |
Must be new to town if you didn't know this, but we have a perfectly nice one for a 4,000 person town already. And access to others in the area too. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 3:39 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| I would like a wall to stop the noise from the highway before we build a bridge or build a library. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 6:52 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Wall wrote: | | I would like a wall to stop the noise from the highway before we build a bridge or build a library. |
Do you know how many people would complain about the look and cost of a wall?
Liberty way is much too expensive and the time has passed to ask the warehouses as most of the affected area is built out. Since the warehouses continually come in to appeal do you think they'd voluntarily pay millions? As it would have to be voluntary. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 7:49 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 10:24 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Library wrote: | | sorry wrote: | | Honestly, I don't think the bridge is the panacea you all believe. The traffic on 130 has increased up and down 130 not just in the warehouse district of Cranbury. This traffic will go up markedly this year with the 50% increase in tolls on the turnpike. More and more people and trucks are using 130 to avoid turnpike construction and tolls. The bridge would take care of the small amount of truck traffic going from our warehouses to the turnpike. Those trucks however, are not the main cause of our noise and traffic problems on 130. 130 has become a major north south artery. |
We need the library before the bridge or wall. |
Maybe we could build the library across the brook, like the Rialto Bridge. |
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