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 Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 10:41 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Bridge wrote: | | I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library |
I think we need to do something to address the increasing noise, light and air pollution caused by traffic along Rt. 130. For many residents, I suspects this issue is one of Cranbury's leading quality of life concerns.
A $5 million wall is less than a $12 million bridge and would have a greater positive impact on noise light and air pollution. However, either would help. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 11:47 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Nike wrote: | | Bridge wrote: | | I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library |
I think we need to do something to address the increasing noise, light and air pollution caused by traffic along Rt. 130. For many residents, I suspects this issue is one of Cranbury's leading quality of life concerns.
A $5 million wall is less than a $12 million bridge and would have a greater positive impact on noise light and air pollution. However, either would help. |
A library would be far less than the $5 million for a wall or $12 million for a bridge. |
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 3 2012, 11:55 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Nike wrote: | | Bridge wrote: | | I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library |
I think we need to do something to address the increasing noise, light and air pollution caused by traffic along Rt. 130. For many residents, I suspects this issue is one of Cranbury's leading quality of life concerns.
A $5 million wall is less than a $12 million bridge and would have a greater positive impact on noise light and air pollution. However, either would help. |
Again, we don't own the right of way. We can't build a wall. |
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build a great wall
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| Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 2:41 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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Then how do we get whoever owns the right of way (state/county) to begin looking into building a wall. Forget about a bridge - we already keep traffic out of our town through traffic restrictions.
When much of the housing was built along 130, there was not even an exit at 8A. 15 years ago the traffic was minimal - as was the noise. Traffic and traffic patterns and types have changed. 130 is no longer a minor road |
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Good luck
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| Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 3:26 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time. |
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| Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 7:34 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Library wrote: | | Nike wrote: | | Bridge wrote: | | I think we need the liberty way bridge to help with the increase in warehouse traffic before we build a wall or library |
I think we need to do something to address the increasing noise, light and air pollution caused by traffic along Rt. 130. For many residents, I suspects this issue is one of Cranbury's leading quality of life concerns.
A $5 million wall is less than a $12 million bridge and would have a greater positive impact on noise light and air pollution. However, either would help. |
A library would be far less than the $5 million for a wall or $12 million for a bridge. |
And if we stopped funding the library we could easily afford a wall or a bridge... But that is not the point. |
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Why Wait?
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| Posted: Wed, Jan 4 2012, 9:48 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Good luck wrote: | | The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time. |
True. But a project like this would take many years to come to fruition. If this is something we want, we should start working on it now. |
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| Posted: Thu, Jan 5 2012, 8:47 am EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Why Wait? wrote: | | Good luck wrote: | | The town gets minimal support and aid now from the county and state. The turnpike widening is going into people's back yards and we can't get a wall for them. So there is no way the state or county will pay for a wall and the town has too many expenses as is with the town losing money from tax appeals. This is not a good time. |
True. But a project like this would take many years to come to fruition. If this is something we want, we should start working on it now. |
Why not follow the library's example if it means so much to you? They realized that they did not have the support of the super majority of the TC or enough residents to get it funded by Cranbury and so are trying to raise the money from private donations. Put together an interest group of residents who live near enough to 130 to be bothered by the noise who support your wall idea. If it really is a majority of residents in town, you'll be able to drive the Township to act. If it is a minority, collectively fund it yourselves, just as residents in other parts of town have to fund their own projects like bringing sewer lines into their neighborhoods, etc. If you don't have the support of the majority of the Township voters, it shouldn't be paid for by public tax funds unless you want to start paying for all the sewers and sidewalks and other projects that would benefit a minority of Township taxpayers as well. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 1:06 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| This will never get approved. If it did, can you imagine how horrible a huge wall will look on 130 and in people's backyards. UGLY |
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:40 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| I think we should just build a bio-dome over Cranbury so we can shut out the rest of the world and live the way that the Town Founders did. |
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Lesser of two evils
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:43 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| UGLY wrote: | | This will never get approved. If it did, can you imagine how horrible a huge wall will look on 130 and in people's backyards. UGLY |
You're right. I'm sure people prefer the sight of trucks whizzing by and the highway sounds a lot like the ocean if you use your imagination! |
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perspective
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 3:57 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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About 25% of Cranbury residences are within 3 or 4 houses of the highway. From these houses, the highway is loud and clear. The value of these residences would increase if the highway were noise were to be minimized.
If a wall costs $1 million per mile, Cranbury would need to pony up about $2.5 million to build a wall, assuming no help from the county or state, other than permission to build in the right of way. That amount to about $1,000per household, or less than $100 per year for 20 years. Seems like an idea worth considering. |
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:04 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| perspective wrote: | About 25% of Cranbury residences are within 3 or 4 houses of the highway. From these houses, the highway is loud and clear. The value of these residences would increase if the highway were noise were to be minimized.
If a wall costs $1 million per mile, Cranbury would need to pony up about $2.5 million to build a wall, assuming no help from the county or state, other than permission to build in the right of way. That amount to about $1,000per household, or less than $100 per year for 20 years. Seems like an idea worth considering. |
I don't live anywhere near Route 130. When I picked my house I didn't want to be near a highway which limited my options and forced me to live where I miss the benefits of walking to Main Street or having my kids able to walk to school. I also don't get the benefit of gas service, water service, sewer service or sidewalks, all of which would be nice. If you would like me to contribute to your wall to block out the highway that's been there for decades, I would like you and the rest of the Township to get those sidewalks and utility services to my street. I'll take responsibility for getting them from the street into my house. Fair? Otherwise why should I pay for your wall? |
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a great great wall
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:56 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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So let's organize - a great great wall for Cranbury...
I think some of our TC members have the highway as a neighbor |
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 4:59 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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The problem with that logic though is that cost is in isolation. That argument is the same as the library.
So we build a wall and then the library crowd comes in and says it is only 2.5 mill or 100 per year for 20 yrs. Then you are at 200 a year excluding maintenance.
Then those by the turnpike come in and say it is only 100 per year. And now we're at 300 to make all the improvements. The list goes on and on so finally we're in major debt by making "small" purchases. |
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Flawd Logic
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| Posted: Fri, Jan 6 2012, 7:46 pm EST Post subject: Re: Patch.com - Route 130 South in Cranbury to be Resurfaced |
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| Problem wrote: | The problem with that logic though is that cost is in isolation. That argument is the same as the library.
So we build a wall and then the library crowd comes in and says it is only 2.5 mill or 100 per year for 20 yrs. Then you are at 200 a year excluding maintenance.
Then those by the turnpike come in and say it is only 100 per year. And now we're at 300 to make all the improvements. The list goes on and on so finally we're in major debt by making "small" purchases. |
Your logic would be correct if all projects that were considered and proposed were automatically approved. However, that is not the case. Ultimately, if there is not enough support for a project it does not get approved. |
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