Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012
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trollbaiter
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PostPosted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 7:44 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
See the Troll realized it was losing momentum and tried to up the stakes with a comment obviously designed to be provacative about merging towns. Please people, don't take the bait. Don't take the post seriously because they are only laughing at you if you do. Just move along.
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I agree
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PostPosted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 9:32 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
trollbaiter wrote:
See the Troll realized it was losing momentum and tried to up the stakes with a comment obviously designed to be provacative about merging towns. Please people, don't take the bait. Don't take the post seriously because they are only laughing at you if you do. Just move along.


We just pay to dam much for the police.
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help me
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PostPosted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 10:44 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
I agree wrote:
trollbaiter wrote:
See the Troll realized it was losing momentum and tried to up the stakes with a comment obviously designed to be provacative about merging towns. Please people, don't take the bait. Don't take the post seriously because they are only laughing at you if you do. Just move along.


We just pay to dam much for the police.


The dam has nothing to do with the police.
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OT
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 1 2012, 7:33 am EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
guest22 wrote:
Police 2 million a year? wrote:
Police Pay wrote:
Thank you app web site for this


CIPRIANO MICHAEL L Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

DECHIARA GIUSEPPE N Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $92,293

DILLANE FRANKLIN A Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $98,900

DWORZANSKI RYAN P Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $92,293

GALLA TODD C Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $92,293

GIACCONE ROBERT Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

LINDENFELD PAUL H Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

MAYER DOUGLAS J Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $69,372

MORLEY JEFFREY M Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $99,500

OWENS MICHAEL J Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $104,508

PFREMMER GREGORY G Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,692

SCHNEIDER MATTHEW D Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

SIMKIN WILLIAM Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

VARGA RICKEY A Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $114,278

WALLING-GANT KAITLIN Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $69,372

WETZEL RAYMOND Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $91,292

ZIEGLER PETER K Middlesex CRANBURY TOWNSHIP $96,096

12 officers over 90k
2 officer over 100k

I am sure this is before Over Time.


My quick calculations shows this to be 1.3 million dollars before OT, pension, health and any other perks. Exactly how much exactly are the police costing us? I would guess its well over 2.0 million a year.


Is nobody shocked that we pay our police officers salaries like these? Plus benefits, plus tremendous pensions.


This is too much. How much with OT?
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Outrageous
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 2 2012, 4:10 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
I hope the outrageous police salary will be looked into this year by our council before they send us our tax bill
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Dirty Harry
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 2 2012, 5:17 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Fire all the bums and hire security guards. I don't need no cops coming to my house again. They cause nothing but trouble. I'll handle anyone coming into my house with smith and Wesson.
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Dirty Harry
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 2 2012, 5:19 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Dirty Harry wrote:
Fire all the bums and hire security guards. I don't need no cops coming to my house again. They cause nothing but trouble. I'll handle anyone coming into my house with smith and Wesson.

To clarify I will handle robbers coming into my house. I don't need any more problems.
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View from my view
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 9:20 am EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Any of us that are involved in town and that have lived hear more than 10 or 15 years know we have more than enough police and the police are a large expense to the town. We all know our taxes went up last year and I have heard from a few committee members we should expect our taxes to go up again. It is now up to the people we elected to make sure they find ways to reduce this cost.
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guestagain
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 9:41 am EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
View from my view wrote:
Any of us that are involved in town and that have lived hear more than 10 or 15 years know we have more than enough police and the police are a large expense to the town. We all know our taxes went up last year and I have heard from a few committee members we should expect our taxes to go up again. It is now up to the people we elected to make sure they find ways to reduce this cost.


You have made your case in a clear and reasonable way (as opposed to the lunatic that keeps piping in with one outrageous post after another). People may disagree with your analysis, but it is a valid point of view. This is the kind of question the TC will have to weigh when they make budget decisions.

I think the best way for you to accomplish your goal is to go to the next TC meeting and make your opinion known in the same reasonable way you made it here.
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Expense
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 2:42 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
The people that are living in town 10-15yrs know the police are an expense. Really. An expense is building a barn to house vehicles at dpw. An expense is giving the first aid squad $70K a year when they are private and charging for service. An expense is giving the fire company $100K+ to purchase a brush truck. When was the last time there was a brush fire that required fancy complicated equipment. But I can bet some of you 10-15yr homeowners remember when you needed the police.
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Whose to Blame
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 2:47 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Your taxes went up last year and maybe this year also. But the town has not hired a police officer in over 4 years, yet 4 have retired. The town has been saving money on police service for 4 years, but the taxes are still going up. Hmmm. Maybe the police aren't the problem.
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Police Pay
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 3:21 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Whose to Blame wrote:
Your taxes went up last year and maybe this year also. But the town has not hired a police officer in over 4 years, yet 4 have retired. The town has been saving money on police service for 4 years, but the taxes are still going up. Hmmm. Maybe the police aren't the problem.


Police officers have a UNION CONTRACT that gives them each more and more each year. Which is an expense that never ends unlike the onetime price of a brush truck.
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Twp expenses
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 4:02 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
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The people that are living in town 10-15yrs know the police are an expense. Really. An expense is building a barn to house vehicles at dpw. An expense is giving the first aid squad $70K a year when they are private and charging for service. An expense is giving the fire company $100K+ to purchase a brush truck. When was the last time there was a brush fire that required fancy complicated equipment. But I can bet some of you 10-15yr homeowners remember when you needed the police.


The squad charges insurance only. If a resident does not have insurance you will not be billed. The Twp money is a fraction of what it costs to operate. If the squad closed the town would need to contract and based on other expenses in towns it wi be more than 70k.

The brush truck is almost 60 years old. The fire company also fund raised and contributed to the costs. They also paid for the 500k water tanker that was needed and the town paid nothing for it. The town to save 500k offered to buy the tanker and it was not even paid for 100% in the end. However, as a tax payer I am happy to help.

How many other boards or departments fund raise to help reduce costs? If the fire company quit the town would need a fire district. So I for one would gladly pay for a trick to avoid paid fire fighters.

The police contract is for 5 years and is calling for minimal increases.

You want to reduce costs the talk to the county and state. Most of the Twp expenses are beyond the town's control. Christie and all governors push mandates down to reduce state expenses. Push them to stop the mandates and watch the bills drop.
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Newsherrif
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 4:03 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
I would like to start a volunteer police department. I bet we could do it! Who is with me! We could fire all those overpaid bums!!
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Barn
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 8:38 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Sign me up
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Barny Fife
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PostPosted: Fri, Feb 3 2012, 9:27 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Notice of the Township Committee special budget meeting on January 21, 2012 Reply with quote
Sign me up but I don't want to work nights, weekends, holidays, in snow, or in the rain. Any other time will be fine.
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