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Anon-023r
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PostPosted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 11:14 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

If the mistake of building this is made, it will be "easy" payments of $30. Never ending payments that is. Aren't we still paying for the bridge to nowhere? Watch your wallets people!
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PostPosted: Wed, Oct 8 2014, 11:29 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Anon-023r wrote:
If the mistake of building this is made, it will be "easy" payments of $30. Never ending payments that is. Aren't we still paying for the bridge to nowhere? Watch your wallets people!


What is this bridge to nowhere you are speaking of?
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PostPosted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 6:52 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Expensive, unnecessary, capital projects.
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PostPosted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 7:45 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

The $30 per person is a hypothetical number, not a real one. In reality taxes are relative and dynamic. That number represents the annual payment on a bond if everyone paid average taxes and the tax base never changed. In reality the tax base changes every year and has shrunk for the last 7 years in a row. As it shrinks everyone has to pay more for the same budgetary figure. Some people would be paying many times that number, whether they supported the library or not.

Let's be clear that this would be paid for by having he Township take out new debt. We'd be whipping out our municipal bond credit card and that $30 hypothetical figure is us making minimum payments on it for decades.

On top of this would be the payments for the bonds to dredge the lake, build the parking and Park Place extension to service the library which is not included in their budget and to honor the Township's previous commitment to complete the Liberty Way extension and bridge among other projects.

Someone above asked why this is not put to a vote of residents. That suggestion has been put forward over and over every time this issue has come up but supports have always resisted it. Why?
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PostPosted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 8:25 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Cranbury Public Library pays rent to the school - about $54,000.00
About $30,000.00 of this is for the "Blackseal Custodian" who must be on site when the building is open and the school is not. The remainder is heating, cooling, etc. Information was given at the Q&A.
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PostPosted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 9:31 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Let the people vote yea or nay. Why are these supporters such Bolsheviks?
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PostPosted: Thu, Oct 9 2014, 10:00 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

willofthepeeps-534r wrote:
Let the people vote yea or nay. Why are these supporters such Bolsheviks?


What if the library supporters win? Then what will you do?
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Anon-023r
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PostPosted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 6:19 am EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Pay the bill like everyone else
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anon-921r
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PostPosted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 5:23 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

Anon-023r wrote:
Pay the bill like everyone else


So if a referendum is had and supporters win those complaining will no longer complain?

I seem to think if a referendum is had as follows, "do you support the library raising money and building a library through those donations?" That the library will get more support than those opposing it. So I am not sure why those in opposition would want a vote.

I'd prefer for the TC to set forth restrictions such as if it takes 3 mill to build the library will need a reserve of 20% set aside for future issues, that the donations must be in hand prior to the building, that the maintenance be supported by donations and whatever tax revenue is already dedicated, etc...I'd also like to see this in a binding contract so future elected officials can't change it.

I trust this TC, I have not always trusted other TCs and likely will not trust some future TCs. This one over the last few years actually doesn't vote 5-0 all the time which keeps a balance.
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PostPosted: Fri, Oct 10 2014, 11:01 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

There's no point to a vote if the library building and the needed parking/Park Place extension were entirely primely funded. So as worded above makes no sense. The referendum would be if the Tv were contemplating contributing to the cost of construction for the building or to fund the parking and road extension shown in the master plan that is, no matter what some people say, a necessary project should the library be built, just as all the early renderings for it showed until they realized that made its need obvious. So a vote would be do you support the Township raising bond money to contribute to this project.

That said, even with as worded in the previous post, it's yet another excuse to skip a vote by projecting that it wouldn't satisfy those who oppose the project even if they lost. That's a bogus reason not to vote. Someone will always complain about something. But if you are going to involve public taxes in any way now or in the future on this project or related parking, why be afraid of the vote? I don't buy that the reason is you fear winning it.

Yes, this TC is better than the one we had when this issue previously came up when the Bank was being sold. That TV tried to railroad it through, right when our tax base was starting to contract, even freezing out two of the 5 members of their own Committee. The current TC is not like that. But that doesn't mean that something as significant and clearly polarizing as this shouldn't be subject to a referendum.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 18 2014, 1:54 pm EST    Post subject: Re: The new library smear campaign Reply with quote

2015 Library budget cut $35,000? true of false? why?
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