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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 1:38 pm EDT    Post subject: Speed limits Reply with quote

This is a joke... Right?

https://www.tapinto.net/towns/south-brunswick-cranbury/articles/cranbury-township-committee-seeks-to-codify-speed
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 2:25 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

The ordinance introduced last night incorporates the township speed limits in our code book.

While working on codifying the speed limits, we took the opportunity to assess the speeding issues the town and residents are encountering on Cranbury Neck Rd and Plainsboro Rd. as a number of pedestrians use these roads (whether children walking to school, walking to town, joggers, etc...). Despite the number of tickets we issue--for example, in April we issued 143 traffic summonses and of those summonses Plainsboro Rd. was the number one road for speeding and number two road for other traffic offenses----speeding is a continuous problem.

After much thought and analysis, we took action to address the speeding issues.

Cranbury Neck Road
From town to Wynnewood Drive will remain 25 Mph

From Wynnewood Drive to Applegate Court will be 35 mph – a transition period

From Applegate on to the township line it will be 50mph.

Plainsboro Road

From Town to #142 will remain 25 mph

From #142 to Petty Rd. it will be 40 mph

From Petty Rd. to the township line it will be 45mph consistent with Plainsboro Rd. in Plainsboro.
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anon-sp0n
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 3:03 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Terrible idea and unnecessary.

They should have done the opposite -- put the signs back up on Cranberry Neck so everyone knew it was 50MPH after Wynnewood since so many people seem confused about it.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 3:09 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

The issue is people speeding in the 25 where it's already posted 25. So your idea may increase speeding.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 3:29 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

The bottom line is--- post the 25 mph zones , then simply enforce the speed limit.The other transitions should be CLEARLY posted so there is no question as to what the speed limt is in any location. There are those folks who will readily comply if you give them proper posting. Those who choose to disregard the posting should be ticketed.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 3:56 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Did you see the above? It's posted and they are being heavily ticketed yet no one is complying. There is a big 25 mph sign on Cranbury neck rd and card ignore it. Same on Plainsboro. Anyone living on these roads sees speeding all the time.

The idea of posting signs as you state showing a higher limit would work only if cars were ticketed for being too slow.
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 4:12 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Also, I travel these two roads every day, many times a day for one of them. What speeding problem are you talking about? On Cranberry Neck I rarely see people traveling more than 50-55MPH from Applegate to Wynnewood, which is what they should be traveling. Many times they are going slower because the lack of signs confused them. Is there a study to back up the idea that we have too many people going meaningfully about the 50MPH legal limit?
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 9 2015, 4:56 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Did you see the above? It's posted and they are being heavily ticketed yet no one is complying. There is a big 25 mph sign on Cranbury neck rd and card ignore it. Same on Plainsboro. Anyone living on these roads sees speeding all the time.

The idea of posting signs as you state showing a higher limit would work only if cars were ticketed for being too slow.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 10 2015, 11:40 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

anon-s077 wrote:
Did you see the above? It's posted and they are being heavily ticketed yet no one is complying. There is a big 25 mph sign on Cranbury neck rd and card ignore it. Same on Plainsboro. Anyone living on these roads sees speeding all the time.

The idea of posting signs as you state showing a higher limit would work only if cars were ticketed for being too slow.


Define "heavily" ticketed. #? I am skeptical.

Define speeding. I rarely see people doing 50MPH on that section of road. Many seem to go about 35MPH, but what is your imperial evidence that changing an unsigned 50MPH zone to 35PMH will cause more people to go 25MPH instead of 35? There is already a transitional section around the bend of the road with the 25MPH sign before Wynnewood and it apparently is not effective by your definition.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 10 2015, 11:41 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Also, if they do this, will they install 50MPH signs at Westboard at Applegate instead of forcing people to guess or proactively find out when the speed changes from 35MPH, as they now have to do at the 25/50 transition at Wynnewood?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 10 2015, 1:06 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

And notice the $50 fee on top of the fine you would get for the ticket as it is. Sounds like they're looking for the cash from fines as well!
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 10 2015, 5:20 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

The speed limits are fine the way they are. Aside from the INSANE 35mph limit on Old Trenton. That is just DUMB. If the cops actually ran radar on the roads with the speeding problems there would not be an issue. I have never seen a cop sit on Cran Neck running radar. Very rarely on Main St and maybe once every 6 months on Maplewood.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 17 2015, 7:43 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

This is insane! Neither section complies with state law for speed limits. After the ridiculous change on old Trenton road you would think tc members would have learned a lesson about making changes to please a minorty. Meanwhile looking like fools to the majority.
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Huhhhh-466r
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PostPosted: Thu, Jun 18 2015, 6:04 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

Just what we need is more signs around town. I never see the police run radar anywhere but in the 25 mph zones so that is easy to right speeding tickets. How many tickets are written in speed zones higher then 25 mph like on John White, Ancil Davidson,half Acre or even Plainsboro out of the 25 mph areas?
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PostPosted: Thu, Jun 18 2015, 7:21 am EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

You all do realize that these speed limit changes will have zero impact on travel time.

I can tell you that Cranbury Neck has constant speeding and I fully support the changes as do neighbors I have spoken with. I hope the TC does not listen to these threats or statements and does the right thing.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 19 2015, 12:24 pm EDT    Post subject: Re: Speed limits Reply with quote

anon-4p22 wrote:
You all do realize that these speed limit changes will have zero impact on travel time.

I can tell you that Cranbury Neck has constant speeding and I fully support the changes as do neighbors I have spoken with. I hope the TC does not listen to these threats or statements and does the right thing.


So prove it.

I still have yet to see anyone cite actual statistics on how many tickets have been issued for speeding on Cranbury Neck between Main Street and Wynnewood. Should be a simple thing to cite. And there is an easy way to study this. Communities do it all the time, they put out the markers that track speed over two points and collect real data, usually in advance of making decisions on a speed change. You seem afraid to actually do the real work and get real data preferring to just rely on your gut.

And what threats?

Cranbury Neck after Wynnewood is a rural country road. It's irrational and unnecessary to lower the speed by 40%. And not one piece of evidence has been cited to demonstrate otherwise. Only innuendo and unsupported deductions. This is over-government at it's worse, fixing something for which there has been zero hard evidence of a problem. How many accidents have there been in that stretch? Meanwhile we still let people fail to shovel their sidewalks and I see and hear of people slipping or near misses with cars because they half to walk in the roads. Shouldn't we focus on real issues?
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