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anon-sos2
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 Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2015, 12:13 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| There is a sidewalk on Cranbury Neck between Wynnewood and Main so the walkers aren't in the road. And we still have yet to see the study results of how many people speed in this zone or how many tickets they have issued for speeding here? And how was the police study done? Methodology? Did they leave the official speed sensors on the roadway for multiple days, or was it just informal? |
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anon-43p3
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| Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2015, 2:09 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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As the mayor stated the engineer was present when it was adopted and went through the methodology. Clearly you didn't care enough to attend and now want to try create issues. If you truly care call town hall and file an OPRA request. No one here will give you the answers you want. Did you email any of the TC members?
Do you really care about a few seconds? Or perhaps you were one of the ones not going 25 that created the need to begin with. |
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anon-0592
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| Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2015, 10:55 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-5651 wrote: | Wynnwood does not have bus service to Cranbury School. People speed over 25 in this area. That is why the TC tried to slow cars down entering the 25mph zone. I did the math and it's a difference of approx 17 seconds between 7/10 of a mile at 35 vs 50 mph. Joggers and families on bikes do use Cranbury Neck to go into town.
As the Mayor stated the county not town controls old Trenton Rd. The only one who can tell you why the county did not allow 40 mph is them. As he stated a prior TC tried for 40. No one here can answer your question.
This is why this board is bad. The Mayor comes on tries to give facts and people still want to interject their rumor or issues. If people really had an issue or were the majority then you would have attended the meeting to complain or emailed the TC direct. |
No your wrong the facts are lies. First of all no one is complaining about the areas that are 25 mph. It's the new un-justified limits on Cranbury neck and Plainsboro roads. Neither road is ment for joggers or family's on bikes outside of the town limits. When you buy a house outside of a town you should expect that. I have never seen a car continue to go 50 mph into town on Cranbury Neck or Plainsboro roads, while I couldn't say exactly how fast most drivers travel since I try to keep it under 30 in these areas, I would estimate around 35 mph. So the new limits won't make a difference. Furthermore had I known they were planning this I would have attended a meeting to voice my disapproval. |
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anon-nrq6
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2015, 11:33 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-473n wrote: | For those opposed, what is your logic? If there is no true time savings which is simple math to do then what is your logic for keeping the speed limit the same? If the police feel it will help.
If as I have been told as I asked the Mayor, there have been traffic studies done for this change, that the police feel it will reduce speeding and it will make an area of road safer for bikers, joggers and walkers which use this section of road then what is the valid reason to oppose it?
The Mayor posted the speeding tickets issued last month.
It seems to me the only reason people are opposed is because of the feeling of going faster. I wonder who you spoke with that lives on Cranbury Neck that is opposed to doing anything to slow down traffic.
Also, as has been stated numerous times ticket revenue does not come to Cranbury so there is no revenue idea behind the change.
If you all really oppose it sign your names. |
Link to the post from the Mayor listing the number of tickets please. Link to the traffic studies.
You ask people to sign their names but you didn't post yours.
The reason to oppose it is it is not necessary. A good section of the road in question is a rural, very low density country road and consistent with NJ law should be 50 MPH. |
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New Jersey Speed Limit - Undivided Roads
The maximum speed limit on rural undivided roads roads in New Jersey is 55 miles per hour. This category includes most small backroads and local routes.
When these routes pass through a residential or heavily-trafficked area, the speed limit will usually drop to 35 mph or below. |
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anon-850q
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2015, 12:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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The new speed limit signs posted on Cranbury Neck Road are a logical and responsible response to continued disregard for the 25 zone and reasonable speed for the zones West of the 25. I applaud the TC attempt to remedy this problem. All the discontents on this subject need to attend a fatal accident scene to be properly educated for their future remarks on this subject. Speed is the number one causation for collisions and pedestrian fatalities. Before you can fully stop a vehicle you must recognize a hazard, react to the hazard by braking, and finally come to a stop. All that is directly proportional to your speed, 5 MPH can make the difference between life and death for the driver, other drivers or pedestrians. Thank You TC
To continue, the secondary problem now on Cranbury Neck Road is the enforcement of the double yellow lines, indicating a "No Passing" zone. Passing on Cranbury Neck, crossing over the double line is becoming an increasing problem. Impatient drivers pass without regard to the dangerous potential head on collision situation they create by selfish impatience. Residents on Cranbury Neck can attest to being passed on their left side from another vehicle from behind as they are turning, with signal, into their driveways. The vehicle behind crosses the double yellow in this maneuver and risks a side collision with the turning vehicle and a head on with on-coming vehicles as well. Enforcement is necessary to prevent a catastrophe in this area. Drivers need to realize that a "crash" cannot simply be done over by pressing the reset button on the video game as they did when they were a child. Following the rules is necessary for organized Safe roadways and tickets for those who believe their personal schedule is more important than the Safety of others, they require heavy fines to get the point across. Thank You Cranbury TC and Police Dept., please enforce and educate through the issuance of fines regarding the meaning of Double yellow line, "No Passing Zone" |
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claudeworld
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2015, 3:55 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| I still can't figure out why the entire length of wide, straight Old Trenton Road is 35mph from Main Street to the edge of town while dangerous Plainsboro Road is 50mph till the Plainsboro border. |
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anon-1qp2
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2015, 5:05 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| claudeworld wrote: | | I still can't figure out why the entire length of wide, straight Old Trenton Road is 35mph from Main Street to the edge of town while dangerous Plainsboro Road is 50mph till the Plainsboro border. |
Plainsboro Road was reduced.
I don't think anyone knows why the county decided 35 mph. |
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claudeworld
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 27 2015, 2:15 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| Plainsboro Road wasn't reduced, at least it's not labeled, going west past the first cornfield though. Between the curves, the deer, the tailgaters and those passing w/oncoming traffic, doing 58mph+, I still get nervous and it's not exactly an unfamiliar road to me - driven on it since I was 17. It's gotten out of hand the last 10 years or so. |
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James Taylor
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 27 2015, 8:15 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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The speed limit on Plainsboro Road has changed and signs will be posted if they have not yet.
From #142 to Petty Rd. it will be 40 mph.
From Petty Rd. to the Township line it will be 45 mph.
This speed will now match Plainsboro Rd. in Plainsboro and hopefully reduce the number of speeders. The intent of the 40 mph was to slow traffic down into the 25 mph zone.
The engineer and Police Chief conducted a full speed survey.
We're also looking into some other changes that were raised by a resident on Plainsboro Road to improve safety at the curve. |
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claudeworld
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 1:29 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| Perfect! |
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anon-np42
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 7:53 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-43p3 wrote: | As the mayor stated the engineer was present when it was adopted and went through the methodology. Clearly you didn't care enough to attend and now want to try create issues. If you truly care call town hall and file an OPRA request. No one here will give you the answers you want. Did you email any of the TC members?
Do you really care about a few seconds? Or perhaps you were one of the ones not going 25 that created the need to begin with. |
People should not have to attend every single meeting to have a presumption of good process and good faith in decision-making. Despite all the claims to the contrary, there has been a conscious effort in this forum to avoid posting any of the supposed facts about the alleged speeding problem on this road. It should be quite simple. Please define the mythology of the test and who conducted the test. Did they use the standard equipment for measuring speed over the standard industry prescribed minimum number of days on a 24/7 basis (as opposed to, for example, an invalid mythology such as an informal collection by a member of the police force over a non-standard length of time)? And how many speeding tickets were issued last year, for example, in this stretch of road? How many vehicular accidents? Very straight forward questions that we as tax payers and citizens have a reasonable right to know. Very easy to answer if the facts exist. And if they don't, then the entire justification for this change falls flat.
Absence of a willingness to list the facts this continues to feel like a measure taken just to placate a handful of residents. |
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anon-np42
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 7:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| James Taylor wrote: |
The engineer and Police Chief conducted a full speed survey.
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Post it on the Cranbury website. Or post the results here. It's pretty simple. We keep reading about this study but no one has been allowed to see it. |
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anon-nrq6
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 8:44 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-43p3 wrote: | As the mayor stated the engineer was present when it was adopted and went through the methodology. Clearly you didn't care enough to attend and now want to try create issues. If you truly care call town hall and file an OPRA request. No one here will give you the answers you want. Did you email any of the TC members?
Do you really care about a few seconds? Or perhaps you were one of the ones not going 25 that created the need to begin with. |
People should not have to attend every single meeting to have a presumption of good process and good faith in decision-making. Despite all the claims to the contrary, there has been a conscious effort in this forum to avoid posting any of the supposed facts about the alleged speeding problem on this road. It should be quite simple. Please define the mythology of the test and who conducted the test. Did they use the standard equipment for measuring speed over the standard industry prescribed minimum number of days on a 24/7 basis (as opposed to, for example, an invalid mythology such as an informal collection by a member of the police force over a non-standard length of time)? And how many speeding tickets were issued last year, for example, in this stretch of road? How many vehicular accidents? Very straight forward questions that we as tax payers and citizens have a reasonable right to know. Very easy to answer if the facts exist. And if they don't, then the entire justification for this change falls flat.
Absence of a willingness to list the facts this continues to feel like a measure taken just to placate a handful of residents. |
New Jersey Speed Limit - Undivided Roads
The maximum speed limit on rural undivided roads roads in New Jersey is 55 miles per hour. This category includes most small backroads and local routes.
When these routes pass through a residential or heavily-trafficked area, the speed limit will usually drop to 35 mph or below. |
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anon-5651
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 9:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| anon-np42 wrote: | | anon-43p3 wrote: | As the mayor stated the engineer was present when it was adopted and went through the methodology. Clearly you didn't care enough to attend and now want to try create issues. If you truly care call town hall and file an OPRA request. No one here will give you the answers you want. Did you email any of the TC members?
Do you really care about a few seconds? Or perhaps you were one of the ones not going 25 that created the need to begin with. |
People should not have to attend every single meeting to have a presumption of good process and good faith in decision-making. Despite all the claims to the contrary, there has been a conscious effort in this forum to avoid posting any of the supposed facts about the alleged speeding problem on this road. It should be quite simple. Please define the mythology of the test and who conducted the test. Did they use the standard equipment for measuring speed over the standard industry prescribed minimum number of days on a 24/7 basis (as opposed to, for example, an invalid mythology such as an informal collection by a member of the police force over a non-standard length of time)? And how many speeding tickets were issued last year, for example, in this stretch of road? How many vehicular accidents? Very straight forward questions that we as tax payers and citizens have a reasonable right to know. Very easy to answer if the facts exist. And if they don't, then the entire justification for this change falls flat.
Absence of a willingness to list the facts this continues to feel like a measure taken just to placate a handful of residents. |
Just because you disagree with the decision does not mean there was not a good process followed.
Those who support the decision i am sure feel the process was well done.
There is no hiding from what I see. The Mayor came on stated the engineer and police chief performed a full study. The engineer was made available at the meeting. In the TC notes it states the engineer fully explained the process.
Seems like your just trolling to me. |
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anon-8r6r
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 4:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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| Anon 5651 , you seem to be quite educated on the subject of how speed limits are determined. Explain in detail how you would have made this determination, conduct your own study and report back if you feel the current new limits are not in agreement with your findings. In the meantime shut up. |
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anon-8321
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2015, 6:26 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Speed limits |
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Correction. comments directed to anon 5651 intended for anon np42.
Anon np42 slow down, be a good citizen. Thanks |
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