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anon-5239 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 7:52 am EDT Post subject: What happened to the garage |
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Quote: | “June 5th 2018, HPC Committee Minutes: 11 Symmes Court (B38, L4): within Historic District; it was reported that the freestanding garage was no longer standing on this property. Removal of the garage was not part of the plan when HPC reviewed it in January 2018. HPC can understand if the renovations began and the structure fell down due to a deteriorated condition. Secretary will email the Zoning Officer for a better understanding of why or how this occurred and request the architectural plans for the new garage be submitted to add to the filed HPC application.” |
Was wondering what happened to the garage, and the HPC explanation is even more concerning. Here are some questions for them: (1) How does a garage just happen to fall down while it is being renovated? (2) How does a structure within the historic district get demolished without HPC knowledge? (3) How does HPC member, running the project, not know he has to file an application for demolishing a building within the historic district? (4) How does HPC member living across the street, not notice? (5) Why is HPC giving project a free pass, and promoting member to a better position on the committee? There are some definite conflicts of interest here by the committee and member. |
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anon-4os8 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 9:05 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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These are sensible questions that should be answered. |
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anon-88r5 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 9:08 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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Per meeting minutes:
11 Symmes Court (B38, L4): within Historic District; Secretary inquired with Zoning Officer who stated that
the garage structure was in the process of being renovated when the remaining standing walls fell. Secretary
will email General Contractor to confirm garage will be built as like styl
However:
Why were the walls not secured when the renovation started? How could they just fall, something happened. Why wasn't HPC notified of the change?
I think there is more to it than stated. |
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anon-np17 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 10:46 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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Oh goodness. The horrors of Cranbury. |
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anon-88r5 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 10:55 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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When you live in the historic district there are certain things agreed upon. Losing buildings impacts the district so if everyone did this, tore down a house, etc.. it would be a horror to preserving the look. |
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anon-4os8 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Jul 27 2018, 6:35 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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So the gist is this is a loophole everyone in the district should be aware of. Don't sweat what the HPC says you need to preserve. Just make sure that during demo it suffers an accident and you are good to go with new construction and no consequences. Presumably the HPC has to treat everyone equally so they'll have to take everyone's word for it, not require it be inspected before the accident is cleared and new construction started, etc.
Good to know. |
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anon-8q9p Guest
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Posted: Sat, Jul 28 2018, 3:23 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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okay gang, lets relax a bit here. I walk my dog by this house and garage every day. I have wondered for years when a strong enough storm would come taking the garage down as it stood with a 20 degree slant. It is now replaced with what looks like an identical garage on the same footprint but it doesnt look like its about to collapse. Actually, as a casual observer who moved here over 30 years ago because of the historic characteristics of this town, and owner of a home in the historic district, if you ask me, this whole project on the house itself looks great, with effort to match unique rooflines, and old brick, which I am sure added cost to the project. What would you expect to happen when a wall collapses - put it back up even if wood is rotted? The beautiful historic integrity of the property has been maintained as far as I can see and that is what is important and what we expect from HPC. |
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anon-1nnq Guest
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Posted: Sat, Jul 28 2018, 6:20 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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It’s about the process. Things happen, but the homeowner and contractor never seemed to notify the right people. I know a few barns in bad condition were taken down. It HPC was consulted. In this case I wonder how the walls simply collapsed and why HOC and zoning were not told upfront when it happened. |
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anon-4os8 Guest
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Posted: Sun, Jul 29 2018, 3:32 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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anon-1nnq wrote: | It’s about the process. Things happen, but the homeowner and contractor never seemed to notify the right people. I know a few barns in bad condition were taken down. It HPC was consulted. In this case I wonder how the walls simply collapsed and why HOC and zoning were not told upfront when it happened. |
Exactly this. There should have been a process followed. HPC should have been consulted the moment the "accident" occurred. And it sounds like the home owner was in a position to know better but counted on getting special treatment from the HPC after the fact. Better to ask forgiveness than permission, right? |
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anon;Oqs8-5915 Guest
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Posted: Sun, Jul 29 2018, 5:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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The primary problem was "HPC member running the project"-----------Maybe that member should be reevaluated--is there a conflict??? You bet there is, and not one member nor the liasion from the Township Committee will say boo about what happened---and the rest of the folks in town could care less! |
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anon-88r5 Guest
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Posted: Sun, Jul 29 2018, 7:18 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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Are you saying the contractor doing the work is an HPC member?
If the contractor doing the work is an HPC member then certainly they should have informed HPC of what was occurring. I don't disagree.
I do disagree that an HPC member if a contractor should not work on any homes in the Historic District. They should have a right to income. But, they should recuse themselves from any discussion about the project. |
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anon-0390 Guest
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Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2018, 11:43 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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Let’s all settle down. ITS JUST A GARAGE |
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anon-s6p5 Guest
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Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2018, 1:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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In general I agree it is a garage, but it is an exterior building in the historic district. So regardless if a garage or outbuilding there are zoning rules that need to be followed and if not then HPC could be sued by the next home owner who wants to do something.
For example, let's say someone put vinyl siding on their home without HPC approval and then it just stayed. The homeowner said the siding was falling off and they needed to put vinyl up. HPC says ok we understand, now because of that precedent other homeowners can do the same.
That is why residents in the district should follow the regulations. By living there the residents make a defacto agreement with the town.
The homeowners in the district have expenses no one else in town does and has restrictions no one else in town does. This is to maintain a home the way the town wants it to look. This keeps the town looking great, but at the resident's expense. For example, a home in Cranbury Greene can re-roof any time, but a historic district home with a slate roof must use slate or fake slate to replace and that is tremendously more expensive than asphalt. Or they can replace windows if replaced with wood, while homes in other areas can use windows with other materials.
In turn, the town for its part wants the public areas to look good and the street to be pedestrian friendly. No one drives to walk around Cranbury Greene or Shadow Oaks, but they do for Main St. and that is where the heritage is for the town. Therefore, I am okay that my tax dollars go to trees and increased policing in this area more than others because the district is an important element of the community.
But, if the residents start ignoring the rules and the town stops taking care of the trees etc... then our historic district starts to degrade. |
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anon-4os8 Guest
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Posted: Mon, Jul 30 2018, 8:00 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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anon-0390 wrote: | Let’s all settle down. ITS JUST A GARAGE |
Not really, it's a precedent for non-enforcement of their policies and procedures. Especially if someone own the Commission was involved as is alleged above. It's not about the size or significance of the structure. Anyone who ever does something out of compliance who states that they did it because of damage or destruction to the historical structure has an except legal case if the HPC takes any action against them for arbitrary or selective enforcement. The HPC basically legally neutered themselves.
It's certainly possible is was an honest accident but the HPC should have been contacted immediately before any further action was taken so that if they allowed the new structure they could demonstrate there was an investigation and specific circumstances. If they allow anyone to say take my word for it, they legally need to allow anyone to say that. |
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anon;oqx8-5915 Guest
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Posted: Thu, Aug 2 2018, 10:38 pm EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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Just wait until the Farmland Preserved Barclay farm house on Plainsboro road "mysteriously" collapses. Considering that last years "crop" was let to rot in the field and no crop is planted now and there are weeds all over the fields; what can we expect next? Maybe HPC should be working to get that waste of our tax dollars straghtened out. Something makes me think our Field of Dreams has become a nightmare--------- |
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anon-s6p5 Guest
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Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018, 7:51 am EDT Post subject: Re: What happened to the garage |
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It has been mentioned at TC meetings. A corporation owns the la d and home and is non responsive. It is not in the HIstoric district so nothing they can do. |
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