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 Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 12:01 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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You're actually trying to cite this as a credible source? Foxnews? The channel that was explicitly created by Rupurt and Roger as a service to their Republican Party? The channel that considered Matt Drudge a real journalist. The channel that pretty much drove the whole Monica L. scandal. That's the funniest thing I have read today... |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 12:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Guest wrote: | | Quote: | | Cite the credible sources. Plus, independent groups have analyzied the programs and confirmed where the net tax starts to increase instead of decrease and confirmed it was above $250k. |
That's the problem. Who's credible and who's not? There is so much misinformation out there about all of the candidates and their plans, it will never be sorted out before the election. It seems that no matter where you look, one analysis says one thing and another analysis refutes it with different data, with both analyses coming from "credible" sources.
And how do we ever even know what's credible? Even years from now when history books are being written, a lot of it will be different people's perceptions of the facts, you can twist statistics any way you want and there are always two sides (at least) to the story. It is very hard to get to the truth. Too many people put opinion down and state it as fact, media and authors included. |
There are plenty of credible sources, as long as you are careful to distinguish from their news peieces versus editorial and you read the whole peice in context and not just quotes others have re-circulated out of context. The NYT, WSJ, AP, Reuters, etc. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 12:28 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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You're actually trying to cite this as a credible source? Foxnews? The channel that was explicitly created by Rupurt and Roger as a service to their Republican Party? The channel that considered Matt Drudge a real journalist. The channel that pretty much drove the whole Monica L. scandal. That's the funniest thing I have read today... |
Let me guess you watch MSNBC and it's not as if they have an agenda. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 1:03 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Excerpts of Seven Year-Old Obama Interview Cause Stir |
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| Chicago Public Radio wrote: | In 2001, Chicago Public Radio interviewed then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone posted excerpts of the interview, edited to misrepresent Obama's statements. The item is now catching national attention.
Click here for Obama's full interviews.
The clips are taken from an interview that aired in January of 2001. Then State Senator Obama is one of three legal scholars interviewed for a show about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone pulled excerpts of the show and posted them to You Tube—and today, the posting caught fire on political blogs, the Drudge Report, and Fox News.
The 4 minute spliced collection of clips portrays Obama as advocate a redistribution of wealth through the power of the Supreme Court. That folds in with some allegations by the McCain Palin campaign.
The twist here is that, when heard in the context of the whole show, Obama’s position is distinctly misrepresented by the You Tube posting. Taken in context, Obama is evaluating the historical successes and failures of the Civil Rights movement—and, ironically, he says the Supreme Court was a failure in cases that it took on a role of redistributing resources.
The McCain campaign told ABC News it plans to use the material to bolster its criticism of Obama.
I’m Ben Calhoun, Chicago Public Radio.
http://www.wbez.org/Content.aspx?audioID=29792 |
It sounds as if Ben Calhoun is complicit with the rest of the media in their attempts to say and do anything to get Senator Obama elected. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 1:04 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Excerpts of Seven Year-Old Obama Interview Cause Stir |
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| Chicago Public Radio wrote: | In 2001, Chicago Public Radio interviewed then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone posted excerpts of the interview, edited to misrepresent Obama's statements. The item is now catching national attention.
Click here for Obama's full interviews.
The clips are taken from an interview that aired in January of 2001. Then State Senator Obama is one of three legal scholars interviewed for a show about civil rights. Over the weekend, someone pulled excerpts of the show and posted them to You Tube—and today, the posting caught fire on political blogs, the Drudge Report, and Fox News.
The 4 minute spliced collection of clips portrays Obama as advocate a redistribution of wealth through the power of the Supreme Court. That folds in with some allegations by the McCain Palin campaign.
The twist here is that, when heard in the context of the whole show, Obama’s position is distinctly misrepresented by the You Tube posting. Taken in context, Obama is evaluating the historical successes and failures of the Civil Rights movement—and, ironically, he says the Supreme Court was a failure in cases that it took on a role of redistributing resources.
The McCain campaign told ABC News it plans to use the material to bolster its criticism of Obama.
I’m Ben Calhoun, Chicago Public Radio.
http://www.wbez.org/Content.aspx?audioID=29792 |
It sounds as if Ben Calhoun is complicit with the rest of the media in their attempts to say and do anything to get Senator Obama elected. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 1:06 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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You're actually trying to cite this as a credible source? Foxnews? The channel that was explicitly created by Rupurt and Roger as a service to their Republican Party? The channel that considered Matt Drudge a real journalist. The channel that pretty much drove the whole Monica L. scandal. That's the funniest thing I have read today... |
Fair and Balanced unlike the rest of the media which favors Obama and does not report the facts. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 1:27 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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"Fair and Balanced unlike the rest of the media which favors Obama and does not report the facts."
So favoring Obama means does not report the facts?
I guess there is a major conspiracy going on now to prevent McCain from being elected.  |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 1:49 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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Well, fair and balanced to me depends what side of the aisle you sit on. If you're on the right it's Fox, if you're on the left it's MSNBC and CNN. I hate Hannity and can't stand Olbermann. The Trenton Times I stopped reading the editorial section because it had only a couple of conservative columns and the rest were Krugman, Cohen, Goodman, Dowd and Robinson. Not enough balance. However, if you are left of center you enjoy the columns because they represent your views just as those who watch Fox or MSNBC.
The funnything is when people from the other side make a comment they say that's not a real source. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 2:10 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| FOX news is most cited media company by the McCain supporters. Can McCain supporters do better than that? |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 3:08 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| And CNN and MSNBC by Obama's. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 4:24 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: |
You're actually trying to cite this as a credible source? Foxnews? The channel that was explicitly created by Rupurt and Roger as a service to their Republican Party? The channel that considered Matt Drudge a real journalist. The channel that pretty much drove the whole Monica L. scandal. That's the funniest thing I have read today... |
Let me guess you watch MSNBC and it's not as if they have an agenda. |
Nope. I don't. And while they are not as blatantly one-sided by design as Fox, I agree they have carved out a nitch by being left-leaning as a response to Fox. I actually worked at Fox when they started Fox News. It was started expressly with the intent of promoting a consevrative agenda in the guise of an impartial general media. Rupert is a huge contributor to Republican causes and Roger was a Republican strategist and consultant (and Reagan's former speechwriter) for decades before starting Fox News for Rup. Both are brilliant men by the way, but there's no question they have an agenda... They and Drudge really came to prominance at the same time, both on the backs of the Monica scandal which they milked for every drop to their mutual success... |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 4:29 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Guest wrote: | | Guest wrote: |
You're actually trying to cite this as a credible source? Foxnews? The channel that was explicitly created by Rupurt and Roger as a service to their Republican Party? The channel that considered Matt Drudge a real journalist. The channel that pretty much drove the whole Monica L. scandal. That's the funniest thing I have read today... |
Fair and Balanced unlike the rest of the media which favors Obama and does not report the facts. |
I can't dedice what is funnier, the statement or the notion you might actually believe it.
I have met people over the years who do actually believe with all their heart that Fox News is "fair and balanced" and that "the rest of the media is biased." It's funny how every single one of them happens to be conservative. Interesting sample since statstically more than half of them should be liberal or moderate if it were coming across as fair and balanced.
Anyway, thanks for the laugh. I haven't heard that one in a while. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 4:32 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Quote: | | Interesting sample since statstically more than half of them should be liberal or moderate if it were coming across as fair and balanced. |
The reason Fox seems so conservative is because the rest of the media is so liberal. It's all relative. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 4:46 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Ph.D. wrote: | | Well, I have made up my mind to vote for Obama-Biden and Win Cody in Nov. |
Me too. Win Cody locally. Obama nationally.
The two seem completely unrelated to me, though I equally dread the idea of McCain/Palin in office as I do the idea of Cranbury Township and our taxes being handed over to the personal use, without any checks-or-balances, of Mayor Stout and his close circles of allies. If Ritter wins, Stout will have the guaranteed 4 votes he needs on every spending issue he wants to pursue, with no public input needed at all. He's already proven that's his intent (and was only blocked due to the two votes acting as a check against him) and Ritter has already made it clear he'll support him.
I fear the latter is inevitable though as most people don't realize this is what the vote is really about and I think Ritter and other Democrats will be swept to victory on the backs of the general support for Obama nationally as people vote down the party line. When people are complaining about tax increases in Cranbury in the years to come, I hope these posts are still around as a record that we tried to warn them. Even if people realize this after all the spending that Stout will obviously initiate in 2009 with Ritter in office, it will be too late as we'll be saddled with the additional millions in bond debt whether he remains in office or not. It will be his permanent gift to Cranbury Township. About the only thing we'll be able to do is prevent the new Library or Ball Park or future project being commemorated in Stout's name, no doubt his ambition. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 4:52 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Guest wrote: | | Quote: | | Interesting sample since statstically more than half of them should be liberal or moderate if it were coming across as fair and balanced. |
The reason Fox seems so conservative is because the rest of the media is so liberal. It's all relative. |
Yeah, except it isn't. That's a consverative myth, first created in the early 70's by Nixon's VP, the same one who had to resign in disgrace due to a corruption scandal (thus paving the way for Ford to later be the only President never nationally elected as part of any ticket). Guess who he blamed? A liberally biased media, not himself. The Republicans have latched on to that ever since because they figured out that anyone consevrative-leaning was apt to believe it. The facts don't bare it out. Millions have been spent in many credible studies trying to demonstrate this scienfitcally and the facts just don't support it. There are liberally biased media, of cours,e but the major networks, CNN (I did not mention MSNBC on purpose) and the major national daily newspapers and wires are not among them. |
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| Posted: Wed, Oct 29 2008, 5:16 pm EDT Post subject: Re: Obama Redistribution of Wealth tape uncovered |
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| Are you serious in saying CNN, CBS, NBC (part of MSNBC family), LA Times, NY Times don't have a liberal bias? I'm a Democrat and even I can see the bias. Heck, even our own Cranbury Press is biased. Now, that being said I enjoy it as such as it makes my mornings easier to read and breakfast easier digest. |
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