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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 11:57 am EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Which of you determined that last years roof repairs were unneeded?
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 1:32 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Someone posted that the roof repair never occurred and that the school put the money into a general fund for other purposes. If true, that would imply the school decided the repair wasn't necessary.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 1:39 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification. They are incorrect. There were workers on the school roof over the summer extending into the fall school year.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 1:46 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

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Yes, the school library is funded through the school budget. In the past since it was a shared area, the public library did not pay rent.

The public library is now paying rent. I aso understand that with this rent the school budget is still going to increase substantially. They received 360K for roof repairs last year. This money is now accounted for other things and the school still wants more. We should have a decrease this year, but the roof money from last year is now looked at a bonus. So the school will have almost 500K in revenue for expenses not incurred (library rent and roof repair that does not have to be repeated). Yet, we're going to face a 5% plus rate increase for more spending. That is where the concern is. Not Municipal, not Public Library, it is the school.


I believe this is the post in question and the posts following up a misreading.

The school received 360K for roof repairs. The 360K was spent on the roof repairs. Going into this year the tax revenue to the school includes the 360K even though repairs are not needed this year (they were already completed.) The 360K then becomes general revenue to be allocated out or the school can decide to decrease the budget by 360K instead.

What is happening is that the 360K in revenue was allocated elsewhere for 2009 and a further increase in taxes is projected. In other words, the school got the 360K used it for the roof and is now treating it as funds for other projects in 2009 as it is now recurring revenue.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 2:06 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

2008 school budget
Salaries, wages and benefits (increase): $279,408
Transportation (increase): $34,116
Replacing the roofs (increase): $363,422
Pay to Princeton High School (increase): $593,858
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Total increase is $1,270,804.

Basically, the roof replacement was a line item in the overall school budget from last year. The school asked for an increase in their budget for 2008 for around 1 million. The cranbury voters said "YES".

For the last 2 years running (2007 & 2008), the school has asked the Cranbury voters for an increase of 1 million per year (over 2 million total over the last 2 years).

So, if you think about it, the school has increased their budget 2 million EACH year over the last 2 years. Each year they take the voted approval from the previous year (which increased the budget 1 million) and just add more expenses that will carry a dollar amount that will be used for the next year's budget.

So, for instance the 360 thousand that was in last years budget was indeed used for the roof - However, since Cranbury residents voted to increase the School budget last year, that $360,000 remains in their budget projections for 2009 but is earmarked for other uses.

This 360 thousand should not be allowed to pay for other services when it was clear that the taxpayers wanted it to be used for the roof repair (a one time only event). This is a dishonest practice and I will be voting "NO" for any school increases.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 2:15 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Thanks that really did clear it up. I have one quibble. Your statement that this is a dishonest practice. Your complaint seems to be they paid for a roof repair out of there budget while applying for some sort of grant to pay for the repair. I don't see that as dishonest. In fact as you led me through the budget it seems rather straightforward. If your complaint is their budget keeps going up, I think your complaint is well founded. I don't think there is any dishonesty involved.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 2:28 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

confused wrote:
Thanks that really did clear it up. I have one quibble. Your statement that this is a dishonest practice. Your complaint seems to be they paid for a roof repair out of there budget while applying for some sort of grant to pay for the repair. I don't see that as dishonest. In fact as you led me through the budget it seems rather straightforward. If your complaint is their budget keeps going up, I think your complaint is well founded. I don't think there is any dishonesty involved.


No, I did not even talk about grants. The statement was that the roof money was used in 2008 and that dollar amount stays in the budget for 2009 but is not used for the any on going roof repair. It is used for other expenses.

The dishonest practice is that the 360 thousand should be credited out of the equation for 2009.

Every governmental agency, nonprofit, school, library, and even regular businesses are cutting back. My concern is the Cranbury is an exception by constantly spending on wants and not needs.

It's like being a kid in a candy store and we want it all not matter what the price. We have to be practical and go back to basics. How many of your neighbors are currently out of a job? Do you really think raising our taxes will be helpful?
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 2:49 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

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So, for instance the 360 thousand that was in last years budget was indeed used for the roof - However, since Cranbury residents voted to increase the School budget last year, that $360,000 remains in their budget projections for 2009 but is earmarked for other uses.


This does not make sense. The $360K was for roof repair (one time expense). How can the school use that to project budget for 2009 (more roof repairs for 2009?? or an endless 'roof-repair' ???) ?

Did I miss anything?
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 3:01 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

The reason that occurs is because the 360,000 was not a bond. It was a tax increase that was put into the budget. The voters passed the budget last year. So this year, they have the same revenue number, but just allocate it differently.

That's the problem with school budgets, we're not approving line items we're approving totals. Hopefully, people will vote it down. The BOE is used to a blank check like the TC. It's for the children, don't make the children suffer....I miss the old days of Argento where he understood it was a small town public school and not the upper elite private school. Haney seems to think he can ask for and get whatever he wants. Look at the library issue he started up with trying to evict them.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 3:02 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

You didnt miss anything at all, it is dishonest budgeting. At some point our local employees including those in the school need to hold or ideally reduce expenses like all the rest of us are doing. The DOW is at 6606 down 268 pts as I write this note, and that's a 17yr low, 1/4 of the mortgages in the past 5yrs are now underwater and tomorrow’s unemployment numbers are expected to be the worst posted to date. Both the town budget and school budget are increased this year both over a million, I guess they are not viewing the same news about the crisis that I am????
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 5 2009, 3:21 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

"That's the problem with school budgets, we're not approving line items we're approving totals. Hopefully, people will vote it down."

Thanks. I got it now.

The school should NOT include last year's $360K roof-repair in 2009's budget. Voters approved the $360K expense because it was for repairing the roof (a need not a want), not a blank check for future years!

This year, if the school does not need another roof-repair, it should NOT include this expense item. Doing so is abusing voters' trust.
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PostPosted: Sat, Mar 7 2009, 1:31 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

I'm proud that the Crabury TC pushed the Public Library to be fiscally responsible. Even though 18K is very small in comparision as to the their yearly surplus, at least it is something.

I hope that the TC keeps up the pressure and gets the school to take the 360K it recieved for a specific completed roof project out of there 2009 budget. I know it is not illegal to take the dollar amount and keep it in their budget and use it for other line items (whether needed or not); but it shakes my faith of the Cranbury School of their unethical behavior.
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PostPosted: Sat, Mar 7 2009, 3:05 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Did I miss something? The school budget isn't even out yet. I think calling people dishonest is premature at best. I think you are arguing a particularly virulent form of semantics. When the budget comes out, look at it line be line. If something seems amiss bring it up.

The main complaint seems to be that they made up a roofing project to inflate the budget. I don't find this argument credible. I think a better argument to make is that the budget is too large and identify what you believe should be cut.

By referring to the school board as dishonest, you do nothing to further your argument.
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PostPosted: Sat, Mar 7 2009, 3:49 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Guest wrote:
Did I miss something?
The main complaint seems to be that they made up a roofing project to inflate the budget. I don't find this argument credible..


Yes, you did miss something - Nowhere is it stated that the school made up a false repair project. I think you missed the point. That money that was voted on by the taxpayers was a line item in the increase of the budget. Because it was not a bond vote, that 360K is just a dollar amount in this years budget and can be used for anything.

Won't it be nice if the school didn't use it and lowered their budget. Hmmm..... then we won't have a tax increase this year and the next.

.... And waiting for the school budget to be presented to the public, then it's too late. It's best to talk about these issues while the school is in the process of planning. It's always best to be prepared.
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PostPosted: Sat, Mar 7 2009, 5:19 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

Did anyone attend the School Board meeting on March 3?

If you look at their web site, the budget was on the agenda. While I am not sure if I am reading this right and we should wait until the final proposed budget is presented, the preliminary information is revealing.

The total spending proposed was $18,679,392 compared to $16,599,188 last year, an increase over $2 Million. This included a $652,000 capital project for the roof.

The proposed school tax rate increased from 85.46 to 91.72.

There is a public hearing on the school budget on March 31 at 7:00.

All of this information is available on the Board of Ed web site - http://portal.cranburyschool.org/boe/default.aspx
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PostPosted: Sat, Mar 7 2009, 6:53 pm EST    Post subject: Re: Library gives money to township Reply with quote

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This included a $652,000 capital project for the roof.


360K was spent last year on the roof and the school wants another 652K for 2009? WOW a million dollar roof.
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